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08-21-2007, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
I saw you disappear after Brother Matthew challenged you.
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Actually I responded to him and saw that like you and L&F you were just repeating the same strawman arguments about how the bible speaks against retribution and I got tired of reminding the peanut gallery that we are not talking about retribution. Hows your left cheek brother? You thinking more clearly today? 
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08-21-2007, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Actually I responded to him and saw that like you and L&F you were just repeating the same strawman arguments about how the bible speaks against retribution and I got tired of reminding the peanut gallery that we are not talking about retribution. Hows your left cheek brother? You thinking more clearly today? |
If I were a Trinitarian I could say the same thing about your Jesus' name scriptures (assuming that you are Jesus' name). The issue is not that we use the same scriptures, but that we HAVE scriptures. Face it, you have NOT offered any. Maybe that is why our list bothers you so?
I always heard we are not to change God's Word, but we are to be changed by God's Word. In this case, if you can't beat it, you SHOULD join it! 
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08-21-2007, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
If I were a Trinitarian I could say the same thing about your Jesus' name scriptures (assuming that you are Jesus' name). The issue is not that we use the same scriptures, but that we HAVE scriptures. Face it, you have NOT offered any. Maybe that is why our list bothers you so?
I always heard we are not to change God's Word, but we are to be changed by God's Word. In this case, if you can't beat it, you SHOULD join it! |
If I was a poet I could recite poems...big deal?
Who changed God's word? Nobody. You guys quote where it speaks of retribution and nobody here has yet to claim retribution is ok.
Your list bothers nobody, because it's not relevant. It's just more red herring and strawman arguments.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-21-2007, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
If I was a poet I could recite poems...big deal?
Who changed God's word? Nobody. You guys quote where it speaks of retribution and nobody here has yet to claim retribution is ok.
Your list bothers nobody, because it's not relevant. It's just more red herring and strawman arguments.
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Uhhh, okay.... 
So you're saying it's good when it's good for YOU, and it's bad when it's bad for you, right?
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
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08-21-2007, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
Uhhh, okay....
So you're saying it's good when it's good for YOU, and it's bad when it's bad for you, right? |
Im saying, do what the bible says to do and don't do what the bible says don't do. If one is going to say don't do what the bible does not say you CAN do then you need to turn your PC off, give it away or throw it away among other things.
If someone is going to judge or condemn someone else as committing a sin then they need to have solid bible for it and not just keep asking "where does the bible say you can do that?"
Just because the bible does not give specific permission for something does not make that something wrong to do. If it does then you are all living in sin
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-21-2007, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Im saying, do what the bible says to do and don't do what the bible says don't do. If one is going to say don't do what the bible does not say you CAN do then you need to turn your PC off, give it away or throw it away among other things.
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Communication is found in the Bible Praxeas, clothes are found in the Bible, transportation is found in the Bible, eating meat is found in the Bible.
The New Testament church has not one instance of Jesus or His followers teaching self-defense especially defense with lethal force. You don't accept that? That's ok your agenda motivated that's clear to see. Can you prove that Jesus and His followers taught or used deadly force? Not on your best day could you prove that. Did you ever try? No, you refuse and duck under your verbiage, and project your what you're doing on to us. Ready to present anything? Hardly that would be the case, since you have done nothing to prove that you ever wanted to have a BIBLICAL discussion.
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
If someone is going to judge or condemn someone else as committing a sin then they need to have solid bible for it and not just keep asking "where does the bible say you can do that?"
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Then were's your soild BIBLE refutation?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Just because the bible does not give specific permission for something does not make that something wrong to do. If it does then you are all living in sin
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Here we go again, no scriptures, Praxeas, doesn't even try to build a case from the Bible by showing that the New Testament scriptures at least alluded to what Praxeas is trying to sell us.
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08-21-2007, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Communication is found in the Bible Praxeas, clothes are found in the Bible, transportation is found in the Bible, eating meat is found in the Bible.
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taking a life is found in the bible too. But you asked about specific KIND Of killing. So I am asking about specific KINDS Of communication.
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The New Testament church has not one instance of Jesus or His followers teaching self-defense especially defense with lethal force.
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Prove to me that the OT is not to be used at all. Are you saying you never use the OT? BTW the NT has not one instance of Jesus or His followers teaching the use of electricity, pews, church buildings, PA systems, tracts, sunday schools a LOT Of things. That does not make them WRONG to do or use.
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Then were's your soild BIBLE refutation?
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I refuted all of your assertions. When you make an assertion it's not someone else job to prove your assertions but to refute your assertions.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-21-2007, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
If I were a Trinitarian I could say the same thing about your Jesus' name scriptures (assuming that you are Jesus' name). The issue is not that we use the same scriptures, but that we HAVE scriptures. Face it, you have NOT offered any. Maybe that is why our list bothers you so?
I always heard we are not to change God's Word, but we are to be changed by God's Word. In this case, if you can't beat it, you SHOULD join it! |
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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08-21-2007, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Actually I responded to him and saw that like you and L&F you were just repeating the same strawman arguments about how the bible speaks against retribution and I got tired of reminding the peanut gallery that we are not talking about retribution. Hows your left cheek brother? You thinking more clearly today? |
You were proved wrong Praxeas and Brother Matthew backed it up and you took off with your strawman. You frustrate quick and when you took off and left the thread I understood that you were never trying to strengthen your arguments and kept repeating the same mantra over and over.
I noticed a while back that you like to project your mistakes and game plan on to others. I know your mode of operation. Praxeas we have nothing to discuss, you haven't proved not one thing. You tried to attack Brother Matthew and he politely asked you to produce something. You didn't and shrank away.
You’re about done here Praxeas, unless you have something more profitable to present?
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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08-21-2007, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
You were proved wrong Praxeas and Brother Matthew backed it up and you took off with your strawman. You frustrate quick and when you took off and left the thread I understood that you were never trying to strengthen your arguments and kept repeating the same mantra over and over.
I noticed a while back that you like to project your mistakes and game plan on to others. I know your mode of operation. Praxeas we have nothing to discuss, you haven't proved not one thing. You tried to attack Brother Matthew and he politely asked you to produce something. You didn't and shrank away.
You’re about done here Praxeas, unless you have something more profitable to present?
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If I left the thread why am I still here? I don't see you posting 24 hours a day. How sophomoric. Bother me when you actually have an intelligent argument to make and not just repeating the same nonsense you guys have beens spouting from the beginning. If you can do that and not repeat the same non-arguments over and over then I'll have more to offer here.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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