Firearms Refresher Course - Page 51

Evang.Benincasa · #**501** 08-21-2007, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

And may the Lord ever protect you and yours!

He is giving an example of how we should watch for His return. And in doing so He seems to be endorsing the watching over your things to protect them from thieves.

Sincerely, I pray that the Lord watches over my family, dogs. and stuff everyday. I believe He has, is, and will continue to do so.

Thank you and you have been a blessing.

TK Burk · #**502** 08-21-2007, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

I wonder, is it wrong also to have a dog for protection?

The police consider an attack dog to be on the same level as a loaded pistol. All one has to do is see how the law views owners of violent dogs today to know this is true.

I don't think I would trust my kids with such a dog any more than I would allow them to be around a loaded pistol. If a dog is tempered to kill a man, who is to say they wouldn't kill kids? This, to me, is truly protecting your family!

To have a dog that goes after a man that he senses as danger, I don’t see much of a way to prevent that from happening. In a case like that, I don’t see how the owner would be at fault. But that does not mean they are off the hook if they purposely bought that dog to use as a weapon against another human being. This would be no different than using a loaded gun.

TK Burk · #**503** 08-21-2007, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

If I was a poet I could recite poems...big deal?
Who changed God's word? Nobody. You guys quote where it speaks of retribution and nobody here has yet to claim retribution is ok.

Your list bothers nobody, because it's not relevant. It's just more red herring and strawman arguments.

Uhhh, okay....

So you're saying it's good when it's good for YOU, and it's bad when it's bad for you, right?

Evang.Benincasa · #**504** 08-21-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

If I left the thread why am I still here? I don't see you posting 24 hours a day. How sophomoric.

Praxeas you were going like gang buster and then "poof"?

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Bother me when you actually have an intelligent argument to make and not just repeating the same nonsense you guys have beens spouting from the beginning. If you can do that and not repeat the same non-arguments over and over then I'll have more to offer here.

You can't stop yourself can you? Ok, so then you're ready to take Brother Matthew's challenge and present your case from the scriptures? Wonderful.
Show us the use of deadly force in the New Testament church.

I await your post.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

TK Burk · #**505** 08-21-2007, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You can't stop yourself can you? Ok, so then you're ready to take Brother Matthew's challenge and present your case from the scriptures? Wonderful.

Show us the use of deadly force in the New Testament church.

I await your post.[url]www.OnTimeJournal.com[/url]

EB, do you realize how LONG of a wait this is going to be?

Evang.Benincasa · #**506** 08-21-2007, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost and Found

If I were a Trinitarian I could say the same thing about your Jesus' name scriptures (assuming that you are Jesus' name). The issue is not that we use the same scriptures, but that we HAVE scriptures. Face it, you have NOT offered any. Maybe that is why our list bothers you so?

I always heard we are not to change God's Word, but we are to be changed by God's Word. In this case, if you can't beat it, you SHOULD join it!

Evang.Benincasa · #**507** 08-21-2007, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Sister, no one here has said anything about not protecting their family. No one! The question at hand is how that is to be done and what are the limits.

Also, do you really think a man's HIGHEST call is to PROTECT his family? Is THAt what the BOOK says?

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Pentecost is in dire straits. I can't believe that some of these people are serious.

Praxeas · #**508** 08-21-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost and Found

Uhhh, okay....

So you're saying it's good when it's good for YOU, and it's bad when it's bad for you, right?

Im saying, do what the bible says to do and don't do what the bible says don't do. If one is going to say don't do what the bible does not say you CAN do then you need to turn your PC off, give it away or throw it away among other things.

If someone is going to judge or condemn someone else as committing a sin then they need to have solid bible for it and not just keep asking "where does the bible say you can do that?"

Just because the bible does not give specific permission for something does not make that something wrong to do. If it does then you are all living in sin

Evang.Benincasa · #**509** 08-21-2007, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Im saying, do what the bible says to do and don't do what the bible says don't do. If one is going to say don't do what the bible does not say you CAN do then you need to turn your PC off, give it away or throw it away among other things.

Communication is found in the Bible Praxeas, clothes are found in the Bible, transportation is found in the Bible, eating meat is found in the Bible.

The New Testament church has not one instance of Jesus or His followers teaching self-defense especially defense with lethal force. You don't accept that? That's ok your agenda motivated that's clear to see. Can you prove that Jesus and His followers taught or used deadly force? Not on your best day could you prove that. Did you ever try? No, you refuse and duck under your verbiage, and project your what you're doing on to us. Ready to present anything? Hardly that would be the case, since you have done nothing to prove that you ever wanted to have a BIBLICAL discussion.

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

If someone is going to judge or condemn someone else as committing a sin then they need to have solid bible for it and not just keep asking "where does the bible say you can do that?"

Then were's your soild BIBLE refutation?

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Just because the bible does not give specific permission for something does not make that something wrong to do. If it does then you are all living in sin

Here we go again, no scriptures, Praxeas, doesn't even try to build a case from the Bible by showing that the New Testament scriptures at least alluded to what Praxeas is trying to sell us.

Praxeas · #**510** 08-21-2007, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You can't stop yourself can you? Ok, so then you're ready to take Brother Matthew's challenge and present your case from the scriptures? Wonderful.
Show us the use of deadly force in the New Testament church.

Why just in the New Testament?

See that proves you know you don't have a chance. You have to limit the scope of answers in order to win. That's like playing a game of football with someone and telling them the rules are THEY can't pass or run the ball. Not very honest.

You all never did answer MY questions I asked a long time ago about the death penalty or imprisonment.

BTW do you think Jesus is going to come back and have tea and cookies with his enemies or is he going to destroy them?
BTW when you can show me the use of a computer in the NT or internet or car, or church buildings, or pews or pulpits etc etc....then come talk to me.