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08-21-2007, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Am I wrong? From the beginning all of you StMatt, EB and yourself have pontificated that nobody can have this conversation from the Old Testament. I told the truth. It has nothing to do with bible, talk or adult...and btw that's sort of like the pot calling the kettle black when we look back and your posts...they are anything but adult nor are they entirely biblical because you limit the discussion to only half the bible.
You guys can get mad at me for pointing out the facts of this discussion and point fingers, but it's just you guys that are doing this.
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Why don't you respond to what I posted about the changes from the OT to the NT? 
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08-21-2007, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
Why don't you respond to what I posted about the changes from the OT to the NT? winkgrin
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Why don't you accept the reality that we live in a different world from NT scripture?
Bury your head in the sand, the rest of you will soon follow.
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08-21-2007, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ChTatum
Why don't you accept the reality that we live in a different world from NT scripture?
Bury your head in the sand, the rest of you will soon follow.
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Chtatum, With all due respect, the world is a much safer place overall, than it was 2000 years ago. Our life span also reflects that.
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08-21-2007, 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Chtatum, With all due respect the world is a much safer place overall than it was 2000 years ago. Our life span also reflects that.
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To some degree, I concur.
We are not under Roman bondage, but in some cases, we are under urban bondage.
There is no sanctity of life, due to cultural norms that are now accepted. There is no respect of humanity, again due to culturally accepted norms.
I will do what is necessary to protect my family. I have already seen to it they will be protected if I am not there. My life may not be worth much, but their's is to me.
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08-21-2007, 09:31 PM
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Just a thought for all of us, the idea of rendering evil for evil and retribution and vengeance applies just as much to any action or word as it does to physical violence....
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-21-2007, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Just a thought for all of us, the idea of rendering evil for evil and retribution and vengeance applies just as much to any action or word as it does to physical violence....
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True in the sense that hatred often is shown in hurtful words. But taking someones life has eternal ramifications. After such an act there is no more justification for the evildoer we have killed. I'ts not easy to say or to experience, but if a Christian dies the mourning is temporary - in hell the separation from God is eternal.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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08-21-2007, 09:44 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
True in the sense that hatred often is shown in hurtful words. But taking someones life has eternal ramifications. After such an act there is no more justification for the evildoer we have killed. I'ts not easy to say or to experience, but if a Christian dies the mourning is temporary - in hell the separation from God is eternal.
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That doesn't change what I said though. The bible forbids evil for evil, retribution and vengeance. In the case we are discussion of self defense or protecting others, that is not retributio or vengeance...
Who to ensures gets a change to repent? The victim or the attacker? In war who to ensure? Our nation or the other nation that seeks to harm ours and destroy our way of life. It's a conundrum but in that case, because the bible just does NOT address such an issue, I refuse to judge someone that has a firearm to protect their family and say they just don't have faith or don't pray.
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-21-2007, 09:49 PM
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Unvaxxed Pureblood too
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
True in the sense that hatred often is shown in hurtful words. But taking someones life has eternal ramifications. After such an act there is no more justification for the evildoer we have killed. I'ts not easy to say or to experience, but if a Christian dies the mourning is temporary - in hell the separation from God is eternal.
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Powerful words, powerful words!
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08-21-2007, 09:27 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by Lost and Found
Why don't you respond to what I posted about the changes from the OT to the NT? winkgrin
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Jesus paid the price, the penalty for sins. Sin did not change.
Even BEFORE the law righteous men resorted to violence for good causes. Abraham did.
Do you ever use the OT for any reason whatsoever? IN any discussion on any issue? I have seen people all the time use the law to prove Holiness...homosexuality being a sin...issues in other areas. I find it disingenuous here to ignore it now.
Is incest still wrong?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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08-21-2007, 09:40 PM
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Lamb Saved & Shepherd Led
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Do you ever use the OT for any reason whatsoever?
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Of course!  What does this have to do with Jesus perfecting our faith?
OT is a type and shadow of the NT. I learned that when I first was saved.
Have you ever read the Book of Hebrews?
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The Bible is open to those that want Truth, and if they want Truth, they find Truth. They watch individuals squabble over Bible symbolism on the Internet, and leave the Message boards to enter into the real world where live people dwell, and they find Truth. The World Wide Web is full of Internet Ayatollahs who speak their mind. There is only one Truth, and it is not hidden. No matter what anyone says, Truth still converts the sincere.
-DD Benincasa, 12/06/03
www.tkburk.com
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