I can't think of anything much worse than homosexuality, to be honest.
Really? I can think of lots of things "much worse". The stigma attached to homosexuality in the Christian community, I think, has more to do with our culture and upbringing than any kind of inherent wickedness of the practice itself. Yes, there is scripture condemning it. But why? I can see the logic in forbidding many things, such as murder, incest, rape, lying, stealing, etc. But homosexuality is different. It seems to be a law for the sake of itself. A test, just to see if we obey, perhaps?
The whole thing about it being a "threat" to the family: I don't buy it. How does it harm my family, if two men down the street are "married" or living together? Nothing they do, in the privacy of their home, can possibly prevent me from having a healthy, monogamous, heterosexual relationship with my wife. Those guys are no threat, whatsoever.
Yes, the activists can get carried away, but it's no more than an annoyance, unless they rioted or something. That's another matter, and it's wrong for good reason. But if they get laws passed allowing gay marriage, so what? It doesn't force me to become gay! Seriously, I don't get the outrage or the alarm. Or why it's so incredibly evil. Someone explain it to me.
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Really? I can think of lots of things "much worse". The stigma attached to homosexuality in the Christian community, I think, has more to do with our culture and upbringing than any kind of inherent wickedness of the practice itself. Yes, there is scripture condemning it. But why? I can see the logic in forbidding many things, such as murder, incest, rape, lying, stealing, etc. But homosexuality is different. It seems to be a law for the sake of itself. A test, just to see if we obey, perhaps?
The whole thing about it being a "threat" to the family: I don't buy it. How does it harm my family, if two men down the street are "married" or living together? Nothing they do, in the privacy of their home, can possibly prevent me from having a healthy, monogamous, heterosexual relationship with my wife. Those guys are no threat, whatsoever.
Yes, the activists can get carried away, but it's no more than an annoyance, unless they rioted or something. That's another matter, and it's wrong for good reason. But if they get laws passed allowing gay marriage, so what? It doesn't force me to become gay! Seriously, I don't get the outrage or the alarm. Or why it's so incredibly evil. Someone explain it to me.
Timmy the whole thing about being a threat to the family is a boondoggle. Nobody that I know thinks that is the real bad part of homosexuality. Romans 1 clearly outlines why this is so much more dangerous than just about anything else, it twists ones thinking in such a way that it becomes extremely difficult to believe ANY truth.
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Timmy the whole thing about being a threat to the family is a boondoggle. Nobody that I know thinks that is the real bad part of homosexuality. Romans 1 clearly outlines why this is so much more dangerous than just about anything else, it twists ones thinking in such a way that it becomes extremely difficult to believe ANY truth.
OK, so let me get this straight. (No pun intended!) You say it is more dangerous that just about anything else. Esther can't think of anything much worse. My way of thinking disturbs CS. OK, so, it would apparently be hard for me to list sins that you think are worse, or more "dangerous" as you say, than homosexuality. Let me try, anyway.
Murder.
Rape.
Incest.
Child molesting.
Do any of these come close to the wickedness of homosexuality?
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OK, so let me get this straight. (No pun intended!) You say it is more dangerous that just about anything else. Esther can't think of anything much worse. My way of thinking disturbs CS. OK, so, it would apparently be hard for me to list sins that you think are worse, or more "dangerous" as you say, than homosexuality. Let me try, anyway.
Murder.
Rape.
Incest.
Child molesting.
Do any of these come close to the wickedness of homosexuality?
Timmy homosexuality covers all three you have mentioned, and the jail system is jam packed full with Homosexuals who have gotten out of control.
Most serial killers killed more men, and young boys then women, look that up.
You are willing to let your children play with a Pitbull that the owner has fed it gunpowder and sooner than later someone is going to get hurt.
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OK, so let me get this straight. (No pun intended!) You say it is more dangerous that just about anything else. Esther can't think of anything much worse. My way of thinking disturbs CS. OK, so, it would apparently be hard for me to list sins that you think are worse, or more "dangerous" as you say, than homosexuality. Let me try, anyway.
Murder.
Rape.
Incest.
Child molesting.
Do any of these come close to the wickedness of homosexuality?
does child molesting qualify for hurting a little one as perscribed by Jesus? I think so, and clearly it ranks right at the top....
Timmy, clearly where hurting someone is concerned, things get very complicated. but when it comes to God and redemption, people that hurt others still dont have the tremendous hurdle to over come that sexual sin causes.
There is a turning of the mind completley different associated with homosexuality than with any other sin. Now where one crosses a line into any sexual perversion ie. molestation or rape, i think the same may in some way apply.
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Clearly worshiping the creature more than the Creator should top the list. All other sins are derived from this. Maybe we could say this is the top of the slippery slope, and once over the edge of serving self the slide can send one deep into depravity.
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Romans 1:18 - 32 (KJV) 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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Really? I can think of lots of things "much worse". The stigma attached to homosexuality in the Christian community, I think, has more to do with our culture and upbringing THAN any kind of inherent wickedness of the practice itself.
Culture and upbringing? We are not ancient Greeks or Egyptians so I think that by being raised in a country that has somewhat of a Christian ethic the people would be repulsed by sexual perversions. When it becomes the norm and Christians start making excuses for that kind of twisted behavior It is the warning sign that our culture is collapsing.
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Yes, there is scripture condemning it. But why? I can see the logic in forbidding many things, such as murder, incest, rape, lying, stealing, etc. But homosexuality is different. It seems to be a law for the sake of itself. A test, just to see if we obey, perhaps?
They were called sodomites before they were ever called homosexuals.
It's perversion and anti-social behavior and will bring down any society who accepts it as normal.
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The whole thing about it being a "threat" to the family: I don't buy it.
It's against the family as to redefine what family is, and what family is not.
Perverts adopting children, getting married and ultimately teaching public schools? Wait we already have them teaching in public schools!
That's a good reason to home school!
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How does it harm my family, if two men down the street are "married" or living together?
How about if everyone in your town are perverts? We are not talking about a different race of people; we are talking about perverts deeply involved in sexual depravity. It's not a case just about two deviants living together, but as society that has no problem with that and the greater tragedy is that there are Christians who have no issue with it either.
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Nothing they do, in the privacy of their home,
Please, please, please, that is not so. They are not a normal couple of June Clever and her husband mowing the lawn with pipe clenched in his teeth.
You will have Bob, and William prancing around their yard and kissing each other now and then, and sitting on their porch watching the sunset, and maybe Biff coming over with his partner Chad, but wait Chad's a cross-dresser, and he hasn't lost his beard yet. The only thing that will produce is sicker behavior in your community. The only thing you can teach your children is that what those men are doing down the block is demonically wrong. Those men need to repent.
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can possibly prevent me from having a healthy, monogamous, heterosexual relationship with my wife.
Tim what about your children? You need to pray for revival in a society that has sick degenerates living down the road from you. You need to pray that the society will turn from such a course of debauchery
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Those guys are no threat, whatsoever.
Problem is they multiply. You need to pray against that sickness and pray that your friendly neighbor to repent through snot bubble and tears.
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Yes, the activists can get carried away, but it's no more than an annoyance, unless they rioted or something.
Do yourself a favor research the Stonewall riots. Please Tim, please.
They are not a race, they're perverts who need God worse than the breath of life.
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That's another matter, and it's wrong for good reason. But if they get laws passed allowing gay marriage, so what?
Good attitude, and you can just wait until they get laws to lower the age of consent. When a society opens up the flood gates and starts to mess around with moral laws you will rue the day that you said "so what?"
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It doesn't force me to become gay!
It might compel little Timmy Jr.
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Seriously, I don't get the outrage or the alarm. Or why it's so incredibly evil. Someone explain it to me.
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Culture and upbringing? We are not ancient Greeks or Egyptians so I think that by being raised in a country that has somewhat of a Christian ethic the people would be repulsed by sexual perversions. When it becomes the norm and Christians start making excuses for that kind of twisted behavior It is the warning sign that our culture is collapsing.
I know this was a harbinger of doom for the Roman empire. What other cultures have followed this pattern?
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They were called sodomites before they were ever called homosexuals.
It's perversion and anti-social behavior and will bring down any society who accepts it as normal.
It's against the family as to redefine what family is, and what family is not.
Perverts adopting children, getting married and ultimately teaching public schools? Wait we already have them teaching in public schools!
That's a good reason to home school!
AMEN!!!
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How about if everyone in your town are perverts? We are not talking about a different race of people; we are talking about perverts deeply involved in sexual depravity. It's not a case just about two deviants living together, but as society that has no problem with that and the greater tragedy is that there are Christians who have no issue with it either.
Worst case scenario, but it is what some of the activists have as their dream. It has happened before . . .
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Please, please, please, that is not so. They are not a normal couple of June Clever and her husband mowing the lawn with pipe clenched in his teeth.
You will have Bob, and William prancing around their yard and kissing each other now and then, and sitting on their porch watching the sunset, and maybe Biff coming over with his partner Chad, but wait Chad's a cross-dresser, and he hasn't lost his beard yet. The only thing that will produce is sicker behavior in your community. The only thing you can teach your children is that what those men are doing down the block is demonically wrong. Those men need to repent.
Tim what about your children? You need to pray for revival in a society that has sick degenerates living down the road from you. You need to pray that the society will turn from such a course of debauchery
Problem is they multiply.
Actually, the problem is they don't multiply. So they ardently recruit instead. And they don't always wait until the cadets are 18.
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You need to pray against that sickness and pray that your friendly neighbor to repent through snot bubble and tears.
You have an inimitable way with words.
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Do yourself a favor research the Stonewall riots. Please Tim, please.
They are not a race, they're perverts who need God worse than the breath of life.
Good attitude, and you can just wait until they get laws to lower the age of consent. When a society opens up the flood gates and starts to mess around with moral laws you will rue the day that you said "so what?"
It might compel little Timmy Jr.
It has been done.
I don't know how a guy without a gun can be so ON TARGET!!!!
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I know this was a harbinger of doom for the Roman empire. What other cultures have followed this pattern?
Rome is a prime example and America parallels Rome in going from a Republic to becoming an Empire. At the height of her imperial stature she would become extremely decadent. Nero would eclipse Caligula in depravity, which would mark the death knell of the Julian line. Moral corruption degrades any nation and rots it from the inside out. If we don't concentrate on soul winning and reaching out to impact our own community we will be over run with the pornographic steaming hot spew from the mouth of hell. Homosexuality is a blight upon this nation and we have to join in prayer to see these people repent and be baptized in Jesus name.
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AMEN!!!
Worst case scenario, but it is what some of the activists have as their dream. It has happened before . . .
Actually, the problem is they don't multiply. So they ardently recruit instead.
Recruitment down here in Fort Lauderdale is rank and you would not believe the ages of some of the young people in this city who tell me that they are lesbians and homosexuals. I know there is coming a revival that will make the "Great Awakening" look like a Saturday morning prayer group.
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And they don't always wait until the cadets are 18.
That is the horrible truth.
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You have an inimitable way with words.
I don't know how a guy without a gun can be so ON TARGET!!!!
I try my best.
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Really? I can think of lots of things "much worse". . . . But homosexuality is different. It seems to be a law for the sake of itself. A test, just to see if we obey, perhaps?
No. The practice of homosexuality stunts the growth of our character and our ability to fully relate to God and to other people. I know it is long, but please read this excellentessay by David Kupelian.
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The whole thing about it being a "threat" to the family: I don't buy it. How does it harm my family, if two men down the street are "married" or living together? Nothing they do, in the privacy of their home, can possibly prevent me from having a healthy, monogamous, heterosexual relationship with my wife. Those guys are no threat, whatsoever.
They are advancing a much larger agenda than what you see right now, very slowly and incrementally. They claim to be largely monogamous, and sharing similar other values with hetero people. In truth they engage staggering numbers of partners and engage in other deviant practices as well. Obviously not all of them, and the women are generally more monogamous than the men. But for the men, standard-issue homosexuality is actually a gateway through which these even more grotesque practices become available. But at the activist level, they conduct first-rate public relations. They put the best possible face forward, conceal and de-emphasize the freak show behind the curtain, and deny the agenda.
That's another matter, and it's wrong for good reason. But if they get laws passed allowing gay marriage, so what? It doesn't force me to become gay!
It lets a minority redefine marriage, for the purpose of corrupting society.
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Seriously, I don't get the outrage or the alarm. Or why it's so incredibly evil. Someone explain it to me.
Your confusion on the matter is further proof of the insidious nature of the ploy. The Gay "Rights" movement purposely attempts to draw parallels to the civil rights movement, when there are none. Gays have not been enslaved, denied basic rights, segregated, or victims of Jim Crow type laws. They have had and still have the same rights as everybody else. What they are pushing for is a protected status - where they are protected from judgment, criticism, and religious speech. That's right. They are actively working to make it illegal for preachers to preach against homosexuality.
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