Can a District trump TV?

revrandy · #1 08-31-2007, 08:28 AM

I know Bro. Riggen to be a man of principle...

He will leave if it passes...

Kansas Preacher · #2 08-31-2007, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

I know Bro. Riggen to be a man of principle...

He will leave if it passes...

Thank you, my friend, for the kind words. I strive to be "a man of principle." I can't say I always succeed, but it is certainly my goal.

StillStanding · #3 08-31-2007, 02:59 PM

Here's what I think! (Don't anyone take this personal!)

At the GC business meeting, they should have everyone that will leave if the vote doesn't go their way to stand up.

All of those ministers that are standing should then be dismissed, and then the vote taken by those who have a true passion for the organization.

Why should those with one foot out of the door be able to determine the direction of organization?

SDG · #4 08-31-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman

Here's what I think! (Don't anyone take this personal!)

At the GC business meeting, they should have everyone that will leave if the vote doesn't go their way to stand up.

All of those ministers that are standing should then be dismissed, and then the vote taken by those who have a true passion for the organization.

This is not a true litmus test for passion ... perhaps for loyalty ... but not passion.

Why should someone have to stay w/ a fellowship they no longer agree with?

StillStanding · #5 08-31-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

This is not a true litmus test for passion ... perhaps for loyalty ... but not passion.

Why should someone have to stay w/ a fellowship they no longer agree with?

I added this to my original post:

Why should those with one foot out of the door be able to determine the direction of organization?

Kansas Preacher · #6 08-31-2007, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman

Here's what I think! (Don't anyone take this personal!)

At the GC business meeting, they should have everyone that will leave if the vote doesn't go their way to stand up.

All of those ministers that are standing should then be dismissed, and then the vote taken by those who have a true passion for the organization.

Why should those with one foot out of the door be able to determine the direction of organization?

You are making a very broad assumption -- that those who will leave if TV advertising is allowed have "one foot out of the door." There are MANY men who honestly don't WANT to leave, but have a drawn over with regards to the television issue.

I have been a licensed member of the United Pentecostal Church International since the early 1980's. I received the Holy Ghost and was baptized in a United Pentecostal Church. I preached my first revival in a UPC (I was 16 years old). The UPCI has been very good to me. I have not been "longing for the day" I could walk away. However, I have tolerated a number of things within this organization that I have not been pleased with. Granting permission to use television in any manner will, for me, be "the straw that broke the camel's back." That does NOT, however, mean I have "one foot out the door."

Perhaps a better way to accomplish your goal would be to ask everyone who will leave REGARDLESS of the passing of the resolution to stand, and then dismissing THEM. To do it the way YOU have suggested is more like, "if you won't blindly follow us WHERE EVER we go, then we don't want you." I don't believe you REALLY want the UPC -- or ANY organization, for that matter -- to reach THAT kind of mindset. Do you?

StillStanding · #7 08-31-2007, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

You are making a very broad assumption -- that those who will leave if TV advertising is allowed have "one foot out of the door." There are MANY men who honestly don't WANT to leave, but have a drawn over with regards to the television issue.

I have been a licensed member of the United Pentecostal Church International since the early 1980's. I received the Holy Ghost and was baptized in a United Pentecostal Church. I preached my first revival in a UPC (I was 16 years old). The UPCI has been very good to me. I have not been "longing for the day" I could walk away. However, I have tolerated a number of things within this organization that I have not been pleased with. Granting permission to use television in any manner will, for me, be "the straw that broke the camel's back." That does NOT, however, mean I have "one foot out the door."

Perhaps a better way to accomplish your goal would be to ask everyone who will leave REGARDLESS of the passing of the resolution to stand, and then dismissing THEM. To do it the way YOU have suggested is more like, "if you won't blindly follow us WHERE EVER we go, then we don't want you." I don't believe you REALLY want the UPC -- or ANY organization, for that matter -- to reach THAT kind of mindset. Do you?

Good answer!

I can agree with the highlighted above! I have a feeling that there are those that are planning on leaving regardless, but want to vote as a parting shot, per se!

Kansas Preacher · #8 08-31-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman

Good answer!

I can agree with the highlighted above! I have a feeling that there are those that are planning on leaving regardless, but want to vote as a parting shot, per se!

Thank you. Now, having brought you to agree with me, I just thought I'd let you know I'm planning to leave either way.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

StillStanding · #9 08-31-2007, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

Thank you. Now, having brought you to agree with me, I just thought I'd let you know I'm planning to leave either way.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Kansas Preacher · #10 09-04-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Pianoman

Here's what I think! (Don't anyone take this personal!)

At the GC business meeting, they should have everyone that will leave if the vote doesn't go their way to stand up.

All of those ministers that are standing should then be dismissed, and then the vote taken by those who have a true passion for the organization.

Why should those with one foot out of the door be able to determine the direction of organization?

I've been thinking about this comment over the last few days, and I have a couple of other suggestions.

How about asking for everyone who has a TV in their home to stand, and dismissing them? If they are not going to abide by the manual now, they should have no say so in deciding on changes within that manual.

Or, how about asking for everyone who does not preach the stand stated in the Articles of Faith (remember that they SAY they do when they sign the Affirmation Statement) to stand, and dismissing them?

I have no doubt the resolution would go down to a RESOUNDING defeat if either of these options were employed. Does anyone think I should make a motion to do either of these? Does anyone think either motion would pass?

Oh, well, it's all academic. Que sera, sera.