Ancient Monarchians and Trinitarians

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Was there Trinity before the 3rd century? Ignatius did not sound like he was teaching trinity. Could have been arian...for that matter we have Oneness that teach the Logos was with God as God's visible form or something, but not a second person...I don't see the Trinity in doctrine spelled out in those writtings anymore than one would not see Oneness spelled out

A.D. 180 Church apologist Theophilus, bishop of Antioch, first uses the term Trinity to describe God: In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the Trinity (triados) of God, and His Word, and His Wisdom. (Theophilius, To Autolycus 2.15)

Tertullian of Carthage A.D. 213 "As if in this way also one were no All, in that All are of One, by unity (that is) of substance; while the mystery of the dispensation is still guarded, which distributes the Unity into a Trinity, placing in their order the three Persons. (agaist Praxeas 2, in ANFm vol 3)

Both are before the 3rd century.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Believer

A.D. 180 Church apologist Theophilus, bishop of Antioch, first uses the term Trinity to describe God: In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the Trinity (triados) of God, and His Word, and His Wisdom. (Theophilius, To Autolycus 2.15)

Tertullian of Carthage A.D. 213 "As if in this way also one were no All, in that All are of One, by unity (that is) of substance; while the mystery of the dispensation is still guarded, which distributes the Unity into a Trinity, placing in their order the three Persons. (agaist Praxeas 2, in ANFm vol 3)

Both are before the 3rd century.

So, the term trinity wasn't even coined until late in the 2nd century, almost the third century. I can show you several manuscripts that were prior to that that used the term "one God" exclusively, and NEVER alluded to a "trinity"....

Originally Posted by BobDylan

So, the term trinity wasn't even coined until late in the 2nd century, almost the third century. I can show you several manuscripts that were prior to that that used the term "one God" exclusively, and NEVER alluded to a "trinity"....

The term one God has always been used by all trinitarians. One God doesn't mean one Person. But, I'm hear to learn so please show me. thanks

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

So, the term trinity wasn't even coined until late in the 2nd century, almost the third century. I can show you several manuscripts that were prior to that that used the term "one God" exclusively, and NEVER alluded to a "trinity"....

ok...isn't 0-100 ad the first century? 101-200 the second? 201-300 the third?

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

ok...isn't 0-100 ad the first century? 101-200 the second? 201-300 the third?

yes, and 180 AD would be late second century (almost the beginning of the third century)...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

yes, and 180 AD would be late second century (almost the beginning of the third century)...

So then Tertullian and Praxeas would be third century.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

So then Tertullian and Praxeas would be third century.

Praxeas is recorded to have preached in Rome circa 190 AD, which would be in the concluding years of the 2nd century.... Praxeas doctrine was clearly monarchian... (i.e. oneness)

Tertullian wrote against Praxeas' teaching in the 200's somewhere, which would be the 3rd century...

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Praxeas is recorded to have preached in Rome circa 190 AD, which would be in the concluding years of the 2nd century.... Praxeas doctrine was clearly monarchian... (i.e. oneness)

But Tertullians argument "Against Praxeas" is later isn't it?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Believer

A.D. 180 Church apologist Theophilus, bishop of Antioch, first uses the term Trinity to describe God: In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the Trinity (triados) of God, and His Word, and His Wisdom. (Theophilius, To Autolycus 2.15)

Yeah but that's not the same as teaching Father, Son and Holy Ghost are three distinct persons. Who knows what he had in mind.

Tertullian of Carthage A.D. 213 "As if in this way also one were no All, in that All are of One, by unity (that is) of substance; while the mystery of the dispensation is still guarded, which distributes the Unity into a Trinity, placing in their order the three Persons. (agaist Praxeas 2, in ANFm vol 3)

Both are before the 3rd century.

Tertullian would be 3rd century. Im kinda curious though what Tertullian meant by Person..what was the underlying greek or latin word. Was it Prosopon or Hypostasis?