Sorry.... I made the last post minutes before leaving the house and haven't gotten back on the computer till this afternoon. NOW I am leaving for the store for an hour or so and will be back a bit later.
But in the meantime there are MANY gifts of the spirit. One that I have been given (and it is as much of a curse as it is a blessing) is the gift of discernment. It is a gift that ranks right up there with "patience" when it comes to the pain of constantly being tested. Oh, how I would LOVE to be able to fall into emotional extacy over everything that cannot be immediately explained and not have little things like this bother me.... But they do.
When a MAJOR tragedy happens and someone seems to magically "know" what happened, what I find more amazing then the "word of knowledge" is the fact that the guy didn't know about the tragedy ahead of time! Something as big as that impresses me about as much as someone who says "and the next card you pull from the top will be the queen of diamonds" -after being given a minute to rifle through the deck and see what order they were in. But as long as the prediction is made with authority, volume, and in a scary voice, the crowds "oooohhhhhhhssss!" at the wonderment of it all. Most are afraid to even question the validity for fear of committing blasphemy. In fact the one making the statements is protected by a house of logic that precludes the possibility of questioning.
Again, I haven't read any of the posts since making my last and really need to run for a bit but I suspect I am in the extreme minority here, but be that as it may I sense something in Denmark and it ain't pretty.
Sorry.... I made the last post minutes before leaving the house and haven't gotten back on the computer till this afternoon. NOW I am leaving for the store for an hour or so and will be back a bit later.
But in the meantime there are MANY gifts of the spirit. One that I have been given (and it is as much of a curse as it is a blessing) is the gift of discernment. It is a gift that ranks right up there with "patience" when it comes to the pain of constantly being tested. Oh, how I would LOVE to be able to fall into emotional extacy over everything that cannot be immediately explained and not have little things like this bother me.... But they do.
When a MAJOR tragedy happens and someone seems to magically "know" what happened, what I find more amazing then the "word of knowledge" is the fact that the guy didn't know about the tragedy ahead of time! Something as big as that impresses me about as much as someone who says "and the next card you pull from the top will be the queen of diamonds" -after being given a minute to rifle through the deck and see what order they were in. But as long as the prediction is made with authority, volume, and in a scary voice, the crowds "oooohhhhhhhssss!" at the wonderment of it all. Most are afraid to even question the validity for fear of committing blasphemy. In fact the one making the statements is protected by a house of logic that precludes the possibility of questioning.
Again, I haven't read any of the posts since making my last and really need to run for a bit but I suspect I am in the extreme minority here, but be that as it may I sense something in Denmark and it ain't pretty.
I'm afraid your gift of discernment sounds more like the gift of doubt. Sad that you can't see and understand how God can and does work.
Truly sad, because it is a joy to see the hand of God when He does these types of things.
I hope your faith with grow in time to accept that God is still well able to do these things.
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Happy moments, PRAISE GOD.
Difficult moments, SEEK GOD.
Quiet moments, WORSHIP GOD.
Painful moments, TRUST GOD.
Every moment, THANK GOD.
I'm afraid your gift of discernment sounds more like the gift of doubt. Sad that you can't see and understand how God can and does work.
Truly sad, because it is a joy to see the hand of God when He does these types of things.
I hope your faith with grow in time to accept that God is still well able to do these things.
I was thinking more of the gift of Suspicion
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Happy moments, PRAISE GOD.
Difficult moments, SEEK GOD.
Quiet moments, WORSHIP GOD.
Painful moments, TRUST GOD.
Every moment, THANK GOD.
Sorry.... I made the last post minutes before leaving the house and haven't gotten back on the computer till this afternoon. NOW I am leaving for the store for an hour or so and will be back a bit later.
But in the meantime there are MANY gifts of the spirit. One that I have been given (and it is as much of a curse as it is a blessing) is the gift of discernment. It is a gift that ranks right up there with "patience" when it comes to the pain of constantly being tested. Oh, how I would LOVE to be able to fall into emotional extacy over everything that cannot be immediately explained and not have little things like this bother me.... But they do.
When a MAJOR tragedy happens and someone seems to magically "know" what happened, what I find more amazing then the "word of knowledge" is the fact that the guy didn't know about the tragedy ahead of time! Something as big as that impresses me about as much as someone who says "and the next card you pull from the top will be the queen of diamonds" -after being given a minute to rifle through the deck and see what order they were in. But as long as the prediction is made with authority, volume, and in a scary voice, the crowds "oooohhhhhhhssss!" at the wonderment of it all. Most are afraid to even question the validity for fear of committing blasphemy. In fact the one making the statements is protected by a house of logic that precludes the possibility of questioning.
Again, I haven't read any of the posts since making my last and really need to run for a bit but I suspect I am in the extreme minority here, but be that as it may I sense something in Denmark and it ain't pretty.
Cynicism and skepticism are not discernment.
__________________ "Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
I discern that almost everyone here discerned the samething that you discerned.
I feel a witness in my spirit with what you are saying.
__________________ "Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
Sorry.... I made the last post minutes before leaving the house and haven't gotten back on the computer till this afternoon. NOW I am leaving for the store for an hour or so and will be back a bit later.
But in the meantime there are MANY gifts of the spirit. One that I have been given (and it is as much of a curse as it is a blessing) is the gift of discernment. It is a gift that ranks right up there with "patience" when it comes to the pain of constantly being tested. Oh, how I would LOVE to be able to fall into emotional extacy over everything that cannot be immediately explained and not have little things like this bother me.... But they do.
When a MAJOR tragedy happens and someone seems to magically "know" what happened, what I find more amazing then the "word of knowledge" is the fact that the guy didn't know about the tragedy ahead of time! Something as big as that impresses me about as much as someone who says "and the next card you pull from the top will be the queen of diamonds" -after being given a minute to rifle through the deck and see what order they were in. But as long as the prediction is made with authority, volume, and in a scary voice, the crowds "oooohhhhhhhssss!" at the wonderment of it all. Most are afraid to even question the validity for fear of committing blasphemy. In fact the one making the statements is protected by a house of logic that precludes the possibility of questioning.
Again, I haven't read any of the posts since making my last and really need to run for a bit but I suspect I am in the extreme minority here, but be that as it may I sense something in Denmark and it ain't pretty.
We have been batting this back and forth a good bit...
But I really think there is something here that needs thoroughly addressed.
Daniel has continually tried to spin this as simply honest doubt, expressed in general.
He has quoted the Scripture "I believe...help thou mine unbelief," as if this post was comparable.
I submit that it is not.
This is not simply a general expression of skepticism in charlatans and crooks and religious hucksters. We are all disgusted by those.
This is a direct accusation against a specific testimony by a respected man of God about a service that happened at the local ssembly he pastors. It is an accusation against a specific evangelist whose name has been mentioned.
Read this statement:
"be that as it may I sense something in Denmark and it ain't pretty."
What we have here is a poster claiming to have discerned something--claiming divine revelation. He has, according to his own report, the gift of discernment. Those of you who know me know that I am not given to rash, radical statements.
But the more I think about this, the more it bothers me.
This needs to be addressed in a decisive and very pointed way by admin, or I am going to have to very seriously rethink whether I want to participate in this forum any longer.
This goes far beyond some of the things that others have been banned for, and I am very much offended by it.
If we are going to allow posters to blatantly accuse respected men of God of chicanery and lying, then look for me to bow out.
Steadfast has too much class to push this, and he has not asked me to make an issue of it. In fact, I don't think we have even discussed it.
We have been batting this back and forth a good bit...
But I really think there is something here that needs thoroughly addressed.
Daniel has continually tried to spin this as simply honest doubt, expressed in general.
He has quoted the Scripture "I believe...help thou mine unbelief," as if this post was comparable.
I submit that it is not.
This is not simply a general expression of skepticism in charlatans and crooks and religious hucksters. We are all disgusted by those.
This is a direct accusation against a specific testimony by a respected man of God about a service that happened at the local ssembly he pastors. It is an accusation against a specific evangelist whose name has been mentioned.
Read this statement:
"be that as it may I sense something in Denmark and it ain't pretty."
What we have here is a poster claiming to have discerned something--claiming divine revelation. He has, according to his own report, the gift of discernment. Those of you who know me know that I am not given to rash, radical statements.
But the more I think about this, the more it bothers me.
This needs to be addressed in a decisive and very pointed way by admin, or I am going to have to very seriously rethink whether I want to participate in this forum any longer.
This goes far beyond some of the things that others have been banned for, and I am very much offended by it.
If we are going to allow posters to blatantly accuse respected men of God of chicanery and lying, then look for me to bow out.
Steadfast has too much class to push this, and he has not asked me to make an issue of it. In fact, I don't think we have even discussed it.
Phil, this is beyond just the kind of banter we don't pay much attention to around here.
This is an accusation against specific men whose names are known, and a very serious accusation at that. One that could hurt this evangelist if anyone were to believe it and pass it on.
This needs to be dealt with, and decisively.
The direction leadership takes during stuations like this is indicative of future direction.
This is a fork in the road here.
is this an Apostolic forum, or is it going to be a place where men of God can be called snake oil salesmen?
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