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09-11-2007, 03:34 PM
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Christmas 2009
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Originally Posted by revrandy
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Oh no....now there WILL be new rumors!
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09-11-2007, 03:42 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Lost
No. I'm Lost; you're just revrandy.
Are you always this easily confused?
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You just think you are lost, God does not lose His creation that easily. You may be lost to tradition, religion and fear, but you are not lost to the heavenly Father, he know exactly were you are and He will leave the 99 and seek till He finds the one lost!
Every knee.... and every mouth.... will confess... Jesus Christ Lord to the glory of God the Father. Thru the fire and the launderers soap you will finally surrender to the Redeemer of the Creation. 
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09-11-2007, 03:46 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by revrandy
Here's something I don't understand... if a Pastor is going to change what he believes on Women cutting hair... Why do it so blatantly in your face type of of way?
I have heard of Pastors giving "hair Cutting" party on the Platform... Wife and others ladies getting their hair cut?
What is so celebratory about it other than possibly just a "wrong" spirit...
It just doesn't seem to be something to celebrate???
in other words I don't get it...
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particularly since some women might actually want their long hair AND believe what they were previously taught. This sends people into confusion. I have seen people leave "standards" abruptly like that and they struggle for a long time trying to find their balance for a while and some actually leave church entirely...not because of standards but because of the confusion upon leaving standards.
BTW this sounds like the opposite, where as they taught against cutting hair they are now promoting cutting it...that is weird like I said because that confuses people that might actually like their hair that way and feel pressured to cut it and join the club
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-11-2007, 03:50 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by CC1
There is a lot of pyschological conditioning that goes on in the legalism of old time so called "holiness" Pentecost.
I think any pastor who tries to bring a congregation from one paradigm into another in a quick fashion is full of folly and will reap confusion.
Very careful groundwork over an extended period of time must be laid down through Biblical teaching to move peoples foundation from being wrapped around legalism to a better understanding of the Gospel.
Without that teaching and preaching over time any sudden outward changes cause a psychological mess in peoples minds as their conditioning over many years causes them great guilt that some then confuse with conviction.
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Well said CC1, I have seen people jerked for one paradigm to another and you are right it is usually disastrous.
It was a ten to fifteen year process for my wife and I, very careful to seek God and to know that He was our guide. The standards were not the issue at all, it was the deeper things that directed our paths. Contrary to most UC's perception, apparel and outward standards were the very least of our concerns and the last to go.
Some I have observed hated the outward so much that they jumped off the deep end and discovered they couldn't swim.
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09-11-2007, 03:56 PM
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crakjak
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
particularly since some women might actually want their long hair AND believe what they were previously taught. This sends people into confusion. I have seen people leave "standards" abruptly like that and they struggle for a long time trying to find their balance for a while and some actually leave church entirely...not because of standards but because of the confusion upon leaving standards.
BTW this sounds like the opposite, where as they taught against cutting hair they are now promoting cutting it...that is weird like I said because that confuses people that might actually like their hair that way and feel pressured to cut it and join the club
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The whole subject is out of spiritual context as a pervasive doctrine, should be personal decisions following ones reception of the Word. Deal with the things of the heart the exterior will reflected the interior. Imposed outward rules are a mask and hypocritical.
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09-11-2007, 04:16 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Originally Posted by crakjak
The whole subject is out of spiritual context as a pervasive doctrine, should be personal decisions following ones reception of the Word. Deal with the things of the heart the exterior will reflected the interior. Imposed outward rules are a mask and hypocritical.
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Are you agreeing with me?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-11-2007, 04:16 PM
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Administrator
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Scupples,
Here is my Love & Truth church story!
I was told by someone who heard your choir sing at Tommy Galloway's church dedication a few years ago that either your choir director or praise and worship leader was a guy with black finger nail polish on! Truth or fiction????
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09-11-2007, 04:18 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Maybe it was shoe polish?
__________________
Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-11-2007, 04:47 PM
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She makes me look good!
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by Sherri
Triumpant1 - Ashley is going to need to find a new stylist when she gets to Tulsa; it's one thing she's been worried about. Won't she be glad to know that she can do church and hair at the same time!!!! 
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LOL...that's us (from what I hear)...keeping it simple!!!!
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09-11-2007, 04:49 PM
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She makes me look good!
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by Sherri
Seriously....the first few years after we left UPC, we had everything in the world told on us. You would think I was up there playing the piano in a bikini while I had a cocktail sitting on the edge to drink in between songs! It's been so long now that they kind of leave us alone. People have figured out that we're not stupid or flaky or carnal, so they have nothing to talk about now.
Well, I forgot....that one preacher recently said that our church was full of homosexuals. But we don't even know him and he's never been to our place, so we just wrote him off as being STUPID.
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It seems like they'd just move on....but I guess when you don't have a TV there is little else to do....
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