Paula White's Divorce

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Rico

There's plenty in the Bible about rejecting the world's riches. Let's not forget that while you are busy telling us that not enough emphasis is placed on this world. Many apostolics are too busy chasing after God to be chasing after money and careers. They should be commended instead of being reprimanded.

I'm sorry Rico but I'll have to disagree with you here. Many generations of Apostolics have been caught in the poverty cycle, living off the government, refusing good paying jobs, so worried about the rapture that they have neglected to educate themselves or their children. Having enough, taking care of the basic needs of the family [food, clothing & shelter] is something that even Christ promoted when he called men of God and ministry to take care of their families. He thought so much of this that he said those that don't are worse than thieves and infidels.

There is a scripture that for years I didn't understand then meaning but I understand now through watching it happen: The love of money is the root of all evil. This statement really isn't about the rich. It is about the poor that want others to think they are rich. They live beyond their means, dress beyond their means, spend every dime on things that do not satisfy and have a sense of entitlement. The world, relatives, friends owe them something and they hoard up every ill-gotten gain, and poor-mouth until their needs get met by others. They make bills they have no intention of paying, and suck everyone dry around them.

When the Bible talks about the poor being with us always it is talking about multi-generations of families who live out the lifestyles they have been taught to live; not valuing education, having no work ethics, living for the future world by neglecting their responsibilites to their lives and families in this world. Living like vagabonds and having haughty spirits thinking they are so much better than others because they give every dime to the church, and every waking hour to doing church work, to the neglect of relaionships, and responsibility for their families, and even to themselves.

I have seen this played out time and again. And then to brag on this forum that we are not like Paula and Randy White who have everything and get caught up in things...lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride of life. We fool ourselves don't we?

Something to chew on, and think about.

Rhoni

[MrsMcD]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

I'm sorry Rico but I'll have to disagree with you here. Many generations of Apostolics have been caught in the poverty cycle, living off the government, refusing good paying jobs, so worried about the rapture that they have neglected to educate themselves or their children. Having enough, taking care of the basic needs of the family [food, clothing & shelter] is something that even Christ promoted when he called men of God and ministry to take care of their families. He thought so much of this that he said those that don't are worse than thieves and infidels.

There is a scripture that for years I didn't understand then meaning but I understand now through watching it happen: The love of money is the root of all evil. This statement really isn't about the rich. It is about the poor that want others to think they are rich. They live beyond their means, dress beyond their means, spend every dime on things that do not satisfy and have a sense of entitlement. The world, relatives, friends owe them something and they hoard up every ill-gotten gain, and poor-mouth until their needs get met by others. They make bills they have no intention of paying, and suck everyone dry around them.

When the Bible talks about the poor being with us always it is talking about multi-generations of families who live out the lifestyles they have been taught to live; not valuing education, having no work ethics, living for the future world by neglecting their responsibilites to their lives and families in this world. Living like vagabonds and having haughty spirits thinking they are so much better than others because they give every dime to the church, and every waking hour to doing church work, to the neglect of relaionships, and responsibility for their families, and even to themselves.

I have seen this played out time and again. And then to brag on this forum that we are not like Paula and Randy White who have everything and get caught up in things...lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride of life. We fool ourselves don't we?

Something to chew on, and think about.

Rhoni

You have a good point. Years ago, we had an evangelist preach for us and from the pulpit he whined about how he and his wife didn't have money to go anywhere for their anniversary. I was shocked! I wrote his check every week and it was for a handsome amount. I thought it was a shame that he would get in a man's pulpit and whine about money. It almost sounded like he wasn't get paid enough at our church. Our church gave he and his wife enough money to pay off their credit card debt (and he did) but then he turned around and went to General Conference and charged everything on a credit card. How dumb is that?

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by MrsMcD

You have a good point. Years ago, we had an evangelist preach for us and from the pulpit he whined about how he and his wife didn't have money to go anywhere for their anniversary. I was shocked! I wrote his check every week and it was for a handsome amount. I thought it was a shame that he would get in a man's pulpit and whine about money. It almost sounded like he wasn't get paid enough at our church. Our church gave he and his wife enough money to pay off their credit card debt (and he did) but then he turned around and went to General Conference and charged everything on a credit card. How dumb is that?

When we evangelized we were well paid. Never one time did I feel that we weren't given enough nor would we have ever whined about it. It is so rude to discuss money publically.

For this reason I hate it when multiple offerrings are taken up. You usually get less than if you'd just state the need presented and take one offerring.

Guess everyone has a soapbox. That one's mine

Blessings, Rhoni

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

I'm sorry Rico but I'll have to disagree with you here. Many generations of Apostolics have been caught in the poverty cycle, living off the government, refusing good paying jobs, so worried about the rapture that they have neglected to educate themselves or their children. Having enough, taking care of the basic needs of the family [food, clothing & shelter] is something that even Christ promoted when he called men of God and ministry to take care of their families. He thought so much of this that he said those that don't are worse than thieves and infidels.

There is a scripture that for years I didn't understand then meaning but I understand now through watching it happen: The love of money is the root of all evil. This statement really isn't about the rich. It is about the poor that want others to think they are rich. They live beyond their means, dress beyond their means, spend every dime on things that do not satisfy and have a sense of entitlement. The world, relatives, friends owe them something and they hoard up every ill-gotten gain, and poor-mouth until their needs get met by others. They make bills they have no intention of paying, and suck everyone dry around them.

When the Bible talks about the poor being with us always it is talking about multi-generations of families who live out the lifestyles they have been taught to live; not valuing education, having no work ethics, living for the future world by neglecting their responsibilites to their lives and families in this world. Living like vagabonds and having haughty spirits thinking they are so much better than others because they give every dime to the church, and every waking hour to doing church work, to the neglect of relaionships, and responsibility for their families, and even to themselves.

I have seen this played out time and again. And then to brag on this forum that we are not like Paula and Randy White who have everything and get caught up in things...lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and pride of life. We fool ourselves don't we?

Something to chew on, and think about.

Rhoni

Rhoni, it doesn't matter whether you agree with me or not. Jesus rejected the world's riches, Paul rejected the world's riches, there is the story of the early church members selling everything they had to give to the church, the list goes on. I don't have a problem with someone who has money being saved, but at the same time, I do not think it is right to reprimand Christians who choose to follow Christ's example and not chase after this world's riches.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Rico

Rhoni, it doesn't matter whether you agree with me or not. Jesus rejected the world's riches, Paul rejected the world's riches, there is the story of the early church members selling everything they had to give to the church, the list goes on. I don't have a problem with someone who has money being saved, but at the same time, I do not think it is right to reprimand Christians who choose to follow Christ's example and not chase after this world's riches.

Jesus also died on a cross...........

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by Rico

Rhoni, it doesn't matter whether you agree with me or not. Jesus rejected the world's riches, Paul rejected the world's riches, there is the story of the early church members selling everything they had to give to the church, the list goes on. I don't have a problem with someone who has money being saved, but at the same time, I do not think it is right to reprimand Christians who choose to follow Christ's example and not chase after this world's riches.

This is not true. Please give scriptural reference to what your are saying.
Where does it say that Jesus rejected the world's riches? Where does it say that Paul rejected the world's riches? What Church members (and did they have church membership 2000 years ago?) were selling "everything they had to give to the church"?

You have been listening to too many Dottie Rambo songs and thinking that it is scripture!
I cannot find one scriptural reference where Jesus or Mary or Joseph rejected the GOLD and GIFTS at birth. Wonder why Jesus had to have a treasurer - one to hold the bag? Do you think he slept on the side of the road on the dirt?
READ THE BIBLE!

Just WHAT did Sister Paula do to you guys that you are so angry at her?

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

This is not true. Please give scriptural reference to what your are saying.
Where does it say that Jesus rejected the world's riches? Where does it say that Paul rejected the world's riches? What Church members (and did they have church membership 2000 years ago?) were selling "everything they had to give to the church"?

You have been listening to too many Dottie Rambo songs and thinking that it is scripture!
I cannot find one scriptural reference where Jesus or Mary or Joseph rejected the GOLD and GIFTS at birth. Wonder why Jesus had to have a treasurer - one to hold the bag? Do you think he slept on the side of the road on the dirt?
READ THE BIBLE!

Just WHAT did Sister Paula do to you guys that you are so angry at her?

I agree that the early church did not take a vow of poverty. There are great poor and wealthy Christians. But I would not describe either condition as Biblically normative.

As far as I'm concerned, I dislike anything charismatic or pentecostal and feel I have Biblical warrant for it.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

This is not true. Please give scriptural reference to what your are saying.
Where does it say that Jesus rejected the world's riches? Where does it say that Paul rejected the world's riches? What Church members (and did they have church membership 2000 years ago?) were selling "everything they had to give to the church"?

You have been listening to too many Dottie Rambo songs and thinking that it is scripture!
I cannot find one scriptural reference where Jesus or Mary or Joseph rejected the GOLD and GIFTS at birth. Wonder why Jesus had to have a treasurer - one to hold the bag? Do you think he slept on the side of the road on the dirt?
READ THE BIBLE!

Just WHAT did Sister Paula do to you guys that you are so angry at her?

Bro. AB,
Well...duh...she is a female and has a degree in psychology.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Rico]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

This is not true. Please give scriptural reference to what your are saying.
Where does it say that Jesus rejected the world's riches? Where does it say that Paul rejected the world's riches? What Church members (and did they have church membership 2000 years ago?) were selling "everything they had to give to the church"?

You have been listening to too many Dottie Rambo songs and thinking that it is scripture!
I cannot find one scriptural reference where Jesus or Mary or Joseph rejected the GOLD and GIFTS at birth. Wonder why Jesus had to have a treasurer - one to hold the bag? Do you think he slept on the side of the road on the dirt?
READ THE BIBLE!

Just WHAT did Sister Paula do to you guys that you are so angry at her?

You can not be that dense, AB.