Do you hafta go through the pastor?

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I agree with a lot of the points tbpew is making. And in fact have made some of them myself in the past in regard to this discussion.

I'd just like to read a concise wrap-up ..... perhaps in 10 point form or something like that.

my schedule for the balance of the afternoon will not provide access online.

I am sorry, but concise statements just set me up for silly comments like "you don't believe pastors have any authority!?!".

sorry its not a simple, easily shared position.

When contrasting against the well-established, highly familiar, construct of the main delivery system used by apostolics, it just isn't a simple thing.

The engagement I have had so far from GL, CS, and Easty are evidence that the specificity I have tried to bring into the discussion is strictly met with..."what part of Heb 13:17 don't you understand?" If that is the primary basis of rebuttal from those who preceive they sit in Moses' seat, I would be introducing countless little side branches if I were to attempt, high level surmising. This, IMO, is the inherent 'death-song' on discussion boards. Such efforts more often spawn silly posting exchanges like ...."well not all pastors are like dictatorial rulers!". Great, now what did that view provide to support or deny the PRINCIPLE being discussed? Sorry, I would rather trust more words for those who care to read them then to make high level summaries that just open up a feeding frenzy for little foxes.

The readers who are hearing what I am saying from within their confidence that their RULERship is God-ordained, have little capacity to consider the cause/effect of such an assertion made within the body of Christ. To even insinuate that a discussion of authority can be conducted without a specific delineation of applicable boundaries and realms, is a position the is being purposely evasive.

How does one begin to establish any kind of beach-head for consideration when the words being presented are viewed as having their motivation in causing division between a ruler and his subjects? That is DOA proposition in the ears of the occupants of Moses' seat.

Sorry, Barb. That is the way things are from my view. I will respond to your question to me in your last post and then respectfully depart from my direct exchange with you to avoid any space where a unintended wound may be inflicted.

sincerely,
tbpew