Not really. there are more men in the MOD to Con range that are still in who still believe in Holiness as understood by the current UPCI.
the UPCI is STILL a holiness organization (thank God.)
I'm not saying everything is going to change...
I'm saying the ultra-silly ones...
like I've always heard there were still places where they preached its sinful to wear colored dress-shirts under your suit jacket... or you can't wear a wedding band... or you can't wear certain colors to church... or other completely nonsensical things...
I'm not talking about the majority of the standards, really... just those kind of nonsensical ones...
like I've always heard there were still places where they preached its sinful to wear colored dress-shirts under your suit jacket... or you can't wear a wedding band... or you can't wear certain colors to church... or other completely nonsensical things...
I'm not talking about the majority of the standards, really... just those kind of nonsensical ones...
There would be no resolution for that kind of thing, those are not things that are in the manual.
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I have what may sound like a very stupid question but I'm gonna ask it anyway.......................
Way back in the late '60's, the church I attended was independent. It had been started that way and had never joined any organization. then we got a pastor who was UPC and shortly after it was decided that the church itself would become UPC. My understanding at that point was that the UPC now could claim ownership of the church building and property. And that if the church ever folded (which I expect this one to do sometime in the next few years), then the building and the property would go to the UPC organization and they would decide what to do with it. If they sold it, the monies from the sale would become the property of the organization - not the congregation who had funded this thing for all these years. Am I right? Did I understand this right?
So my question becomes - if all of these pastors and/or churches pull out as some expect, what in the world will the UPC organization do with all of the buildings and properties? They will need to form a whole new division just to handle real estate, doncha think???
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I have what may sound like a very stupid question but I'm gonna ask it anyway.......................
Way back in the late '60's, the church I attended was independent. It had been started that way and had never joined any organization. then we got a pastor who was UPC and shortly after it was decided that the church itself would become UPC. My understanding at that point was that the UPC now could claim ownership of the church building and property. And that if the church ever folded (which I expect this one to do sometime in the next few years), then the building and the property would go to the UPC organization and they would decide what to do with it. If they sold it, the monies from the sale would become the property of the organization - not the congregation who had funded this thing for all these years. Am I right? Did I understand this right?
So my question becomes - if all of these pastors and/or churches pull out as some expect, what in the world will the UPC organization do with all of the buildings and properties? They will need to form a whole new division just to handle real estate, doncha think???
Hopefully, it will just be filled with another UPC church....but I don't know what all the "rules" are.
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I have what may sound like a very stupid question but I'm gonna ask it anyway.......................
Way back in the late '60's, the church I attended was independent. It had been started that way and had never joined any organization. then we got a pastor who was UPC and shortly after it was decided that the church itself would become UPC. My understanding at that point was that the UPC now could claim ownership of the church building and property. And that if the church ever folded (which I expect this one to do sometime in the next few years), then the building and the property would go to the UPC organization and they would decide what to do with it. If they sold it, the monies from the sale would become the property of the organization - not the congregation who had funded this thing for all these years. Am I right? Did I understand this right?
So my question becomes - if all of these pastors and/or churches pull out as some expect, what in the world will the UPC organization do with all of the buildings and properties? They will need to form a whole new division just to handle real estate, doncha think???
If the church is affiliated the property belongs to the UPC; if not, it doesn't. The church can become unaffiliated before the pastor turns in his license.
I have what may sound like a very stupid question but I'm gonna ask it anyway.......................
Way back in the late '60's, the church I attended was independent. It had been started that way and had never joined any organization. then we got a pastor who was UPC and shortly after it was decided that the church itself would become UPC. My understanding at that point was that the UPC now could claim ownership of the church building and property. And that if the church ever folded (which I expect this one to do sometime in the next few years), then the building and the property would go to the UPC organization and they would decide what to do with it. If they sold it, the monies from the sale would become the property of the organization - not the congregation who had funded this thing for all these years. Am I right? Did I understand this right?
So my question becomes - if all of these pastors and/or churches pull out as some expect, what in the world will the UPC organization do with all of the buildings and properties? They will need to form a whole new division just to handle real estate, doncha think???
Who would own the property would depend on how the corporate charter of the 501 c 3 is set up. I believe the majority of the time now the church congregation owns the property and affiliation is done through the pastor only. Some of the "older" churches were not set up that way.
I have what may sound like a very stupid question but I'm gonna ask it anyway.......................
Way back in the late '60's, the church I attended was independent. It had been started that way and had never joined any organization. then we got a pastor who was UPC and shortly after it was decided that the church itself would become UPC. My understanding at that point was that the UPC now could claim ownership of the church building and property. And that if the church ever folded (which I expect this one to do sometime in the next few years), then the building and the property would go to the UPC organization and they would decide what to do with it. If they sold it, the monies from the sale would become the property of the organization - not the congregation who had funded this thing for all these years. Am I right? Did I understand this right?
So my question becomes - if all of these pastors and/or churches pull out as some expect, what in the world will the UPC organization do with all of the buildings and properties? They will need to form a whole new division just to handle real estate, doncha think???
Many churches are 'unaffiliated'. This means that while the pastor is licensed by the UPC, the UPC has no say-so with the church people nor the property should anything happen to the pastor. That's a good thing.
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