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Old 09-28-2007, 11:58 AM
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I may be putting the cart before the horse, but do you think a resolution will be allowed in the future which does away with the AS?
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:08 PM
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The fallout: The UPCi will become just another glorified Baptist fundraiser plagued with empty emotionalism and conversations about what was on TV last night.

Meanwhile, what is really going on in the Kingdom will go largely unnoticed.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:22 PM
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I have what may sound like a very stupid question but I'm gonna ask it anyway.......................

Way back in the late '60's, the church I attended was independent. It had been started that way and had never joined any organization. then we got a pastor who was UPC and shortly after it was decided that the church itself would become UPC. My understanding at that point was that the UPC now could claim ownership of the church building and property. And that if the church ever folded (which I expect this one to do sometime in the next few years), then the building and the property would go to the UPC organization and they would decide what to do with it. If they sold it, the monies from the sale would become the property of the organization - not the congregation who had funded this thing for all these years. Am I right? Did I understand this right?

So my question becomes - if all of these pastors and/or churches pull out as some expect, what in the world will the UPC organization do with all of the buildings and properties? They will need to form a whole new division just to handle real estate, doncha think???
Hopefully, it will just be filled with another UPC church....but I don't know what all the "rules" are.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:23 PM
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Reports are there was applause after the announcement of passage ... no public displays of frustration or anger ...kudos on show civility ...

Rumors abound on the percentage of ministers that will pull out.
There was no applause.

It was very quiet.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:28 PM
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I'm not saying everything is going to change...

I'm saying the ultra-silly ones...

like I've always heard there were still places where they preached its sinful to wear colored dress-shirts under your suit jacket... or you can't wear a wedding band... or you can't wear certain colors to church... or other completely nonsensical things...

I'm not talking about the majority of the standards, really... just those kind of nonsensical ones...
There would be no resolution for that kind of thing, those are not things that are in the manual.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:29 PM
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The fallout: The UPCi will become just another glorified Baptist fundraiser plagued with empty emotionalism and conversations about what was on TV last night.

Meanwhile, what is really going on in the Kingdom will go largely unnoticed.
Not sure about the first part, I have more faith in the organization than that, but the second part is true. TV ministry will not be the panacea for evangelism that they think. It will result in a few UPC mega churches. Nothing more. True evangelism is one on one. As is discipleship. No technology will ever change that. House to house. Person to person.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:29 PM
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There was no applause immediately afterward.

The entire session was quite civil.

I am still in complete shock.

I am still waiting for the hammer to fall.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:29 PM
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The fallout?

UPCI ministers will now be allowed to advertise on television,

but they'll have to go down to the mall to legally watch their own commercials.

Seems a little silly from the cheap seats where I'm sitting.
Now we have a reason to turn the TV on in the motel room!
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:31 PM
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I have what may sound like a very stupid question but I'm gonna ask it anyway.......................

Way back in the late '60's, the church I attended was independent. It had been started that way and had never joined any organization. then we got a pastor who was UPC and shortly after it was decided that the church itself would become UPC. My understanding at that point was that the UPC now could claim ownership of the church building and property. And that if the church ever folded (which I expect this one to do sometime in the next few years), then the building and the property would go to the UPC organization and they would decide what to do with it. If they sold it, the monies from the sale would become the property of the organization - not the congregation who had funded this thing for all these years. Am I right? Did I understand this right?

So my question becomes - if all of these pastors and/or churches pull out as some expect, what in the world will the UPC organization do with all of the buildings and properties? They will need to form a whole new division just to handle real estate, doncha think???
If the church is affiliated the property belongs to the UPC; if not, it doesn't. The church can become unaffiliated before the pastor turns in his license.
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:34 PM
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The AMF will benifit. that is my prediction.
Some of us don't have the AMF option IF we even wanted an option.
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