"The Giant Sucking Sound"

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You really have an issue, my boy you need to get some teaching, and tonight I'm not into this.

I have a ton of teaching in a lot of different things, you'd probably be surprised all the things I've studied...

13 years in a church?

Yes, Jesus, in comparison to other things, didn't preach that much about the infilling of the spirit and definately not about it as we preach it...

yes, Jesus preached power from God and that is the Holy Spirit, but he preached love and kindness and respect for others a lot more than he ever preached about the Spirit...

So, you teach a Jesus who was a very good Boy Scout?

Hey, that's what the Bible says, you can mock it all you want, but that doesn't change that Jesus' actual sermons to people were about love and charity and giving...

What good does it do that you do all the gifts of the spirit that you have all the power in heaven, if you don't have love??? I believe Paul said something like that.... and we seem to have forgotten it along the way...

Jesus taught and Paul carried it to the entire Roman world, they weren't Baptists, nor were they flaming liberals.

Yes, they were flaming liberals... should tell you something about what we should be... We should be at the forefront of loving people, of accepting people, of helping people regardless of thier race, sexual orientation, class status, or religion...

If a Muslim is starving on the streets of Iraq WE the People of God should be working to help him get food, even if he never accepts the gospel, we should still be working to get him food.

This isn't about just saving people and making it to an otherworldly heaven, this is also suppose to be about making this life HERE ON EARTH like heaven...

Are you for real? Some of these MEN are called ministers would you like to take that into consideration? Tell me are you lead by God? How many Bible studies have you given non-Christians this week or the week before? You know something didn't I say I wasn't going to dialogue with you?

See, this is where the talking down starts... You know nothing about me, you don't know my name outside of "larry" because I"ve used that as my nick before... You don't know the situation I'm in, the life I'm living, or the place I'm at, but yet you judge me somehow based upon some outward number of things I'm doing...

Your righteousness is as filthy rags, evangelist, I believe that's in the Bible, too, you should open it up yourself once in a while...

As is "the last shall be first and the first shall be last"... So have fun exalting yourself and telling yourself you are better, because in the end, it won't be you who God exalts because of your attitude...

and, yes, those men are ministers, and that is great and I respect them. But that doesn't mean thier word is infallible or gospel. They can (and did) make mistakes (and I'm not even saying the tv rule was a mistake... I'm just saying because they are human, they did make mistakes, period, I believe that's in the Bible, too)

13 years in the church? You want to try the above again? Listen, I'm not going to post to you, because you need to dig yourself. Anyone who knows my record will tell you that I rarely tell anyone that I will not correspond with them. I never leave a discussion no matter how obnoxious they are. I just want to try extra hard not to get banned for life. If you would happen to take the time to shut off your computer and read your Bible you will find in the Book of Genesis that God banned Adam and Eve outright from the access of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Now I am amazed that you can climb my tree with such brass and make statements that are totally out in left field. Go in peace, and I will try to keep in mind not to answer any of your posts. Sound fair enough?

Yes, 13 years in the church in 3 different youth groups, all with the same problems, all with the same dying people who only know rules and youth camp highs and don't actually know Christ because no one ever gave them that chance...

Yes, God banned Adam and Eve from the garden, but you need to open your Bible up again, brother, God didn't ban them because of the tree of knowledge of good and evil... He banned them so they couldn't get to the tree of life...

and I know you are amazed that I think I can be on your level, I stated that in the last post. That you are arrogant and full of yourself and you think because you can "do things" that you are somehow better than me... All your post did was prove me right.

and you can not answer me, that doesn't change a word of what I said or how correct it was. I hope God blesses you brother, and changes your heart, because it really needs it, whether you are willing to admit it or not...

Yes he preached TO the Areopagus, and he didn't join them. Big difference.

Who said anything about converting to another religion??? TV isn't religion, bro, its a tool. In fact, the electronics in a television set are almost identical to the electronics in your computer monitor... Isn't that pretty amazing???

Even more amazing is I can order all the cable packages I want and never get an ounce of porn unless I order premium channels in those packages or above those packages...

But I can get millions of hours worth of porn movies, billions and probably trillians of porn pictures, and trillions of words of pornographic stories off of the Internet FOR FREE, at the click of a mouse...

Now you tell me which is more evil, me ordering www.skyangel.com where there isn't even a non-Christian channel on the network, or me having a high-speed connection to the Internet where I can stream high-definition porn for free anytime I want it...

It's not wires and tubes, just as a gun is not steel and gunpowder, it's more than that, the content is trash and the advertising is commercialism to the max, it's the wrong road.

You really don't get it, do you? Yes, there is commercialism and trash and advertisint and other things that are wrong...

But just like a gun has tons of uses that are good (hunting, defending oneself, one's family, and one's country, having fun shooting clay pigeons or targets, etc.), so does TV have tons of uses that are good. What you need is moderation and self-control, not rules and bans... That's the Biblical way of doing things...

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

and, yes, those men are ministers, and that is great and I respect them. But that doesn't mean thier word is infallible or gospel. They can (and did) make mistakes (and I'm not even saying the tv rule was a mistake... I'm just saying because they are human, they did make mistakes, period, I believe that's in the Bible, too)

I am going to greatly regret answering even this one little blurb of yours but here it goes, my boy, every religion should be judged by it's best, and by saying that I must point out that you don't respect those ministers. You are constantly wanting to stress "mistakes," "wrong doings," and "human weakness" but the truth is these men had made their bones and earned their positions back when they chose not to commercialize the United Pentecostal Church International. They were not looking to rip the flesh off of any saint of God, or want to jam up anyone's good time, but they saw the need to avoid the television and not advertise or use its medium.


They saw it as hypocritical to say that one shouldn't watch the garbage that is on it and then turn around and use it to build a business, oh, I mean the Kingdom? Nah, it's all to build a business, nice Hollywood, MGM, in living color with preachers wearing base so their faces won't look pale or ghostly on the television screen. Listen Larry live life and drink a lot of water, oh and by the way you don't know me either, so dig your double standard, and keep in mind it's not personal, it's never personal, just spiritual.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I am going to greatly regret answering even this one little blurb of yours but here it goes, my boy, every religion should be judged by it's best, and by saying that I must point out that you don't respect those ministers. You are constantly wanting to stress "mistakes," "wrong doings," and "human weakness" but the truth is these men had made their bones and earned their positions back when they chose not to commercialize the United Pentecostal Church International. They were not looking to rip the flesh off of any saint of God, or want to jam up anyone's good time, but they saw the need to avoid the television and not advertise or use its medium.


They saw it as hypocritical to say that one shouldn't watch the garbage that is on it and then turn around and use it to build a business, oh, I mean the Kingdom? Nah, it's all to build a business, nice Hollywood, MGM, in living color with preachers wearing base so their faces won't look pale or ghostly on the television screen. Listen Larry live life and drink a lot of water, oh and by the way you don't know me either, so dig your double standard, and keep in mind it's not personal, it's never personal, just spiritual.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

I don't constantly want to stress mistakes and human errors... The problem is that most people in our movement want to pretend they didn't happen and tell people to just go on pretending like it never happened and not discuss it...

I do respect those men, but that doesn't mean I agree with everything they decided... See, I've seen people backslide and hurt themselves BECAUSE of our strict rules. I've seen people mess up thier lives because of our rules... and I've seen people be hurt by our rules...

What you don't get is that no one is commercializing anything... They are simply trying to reach the lost. No one is trying to make a quick buck at the expense of anyone, they just don't see why we can use the Internet but not TV...

They saw the need to avoid the television for the same reason that they saw the need to avoid the radio in the 1910s, the organ in the early 1800s, or Handel in the 1500s... The new thing is ALWAYS preached agianst... ALWAYS!! That is human nature. Every generation since Christ has preached against whatever new-fangled gadgets those kids are into today... Its about time that we as a people get out of the 1950s and the social mores and codes of that day and age and realize this is 2007... There's new and better things for you to preach against 'cuz its new (like the Internet)

I mean, its funny, you have all this faith in ministers to decide that TV is evil and should be prohibited (even just as a tool to get our name out to people), but you don't have faith in the same ministers to use the tool as a way to evangelize, rather you assume they're just gonna try and take people's money... I think that's kind of absurd...

and, no, I don't know you, but I know your attitude, I've seen it hundreds of times before both in real life and online and its always the same... I can tell your attitude, I can read your arrogance, and I can tell by what you say what you think of me... It isn't hard to do, bro...

See, your passion is rules... Mine is just helping people find God... That's the difference between you and me... I couldn't care less if a lady wears a pair of pants or not as long as she hears "Well done, good and faithful one"... But you don't care anything but about her following the rules... You just don't want her to have a tv or wear makeup (even necessary makeup which is not what the Bible was talking about), or wear pants... Its all about a rulebook with you...

I just want people to know God, to have a relationship with Him... If He wants all that other stuff, He'll let them know Himself...

[Rico]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

I don't constantly want to stress mistakes and human errors... The problem is that most people in our movement want to pretend they didn't happen and tell people to just go on pretending like it never happened and not discuss it...

I do respect those men, but that doesn't mean I agree with everything they decided... See, I've seen people backslide and hurt themselves BECAUSE of our strict rules. I've seen people mess up thier lives because of our rules... and I've seen people be hurt by our rules...

What you don't get is that no one is commercializing anything... They are simply trying to reach the lost. No one is trying to make a quick buck at the expense of anyone, they just don't see why we can use the Internet but not TV...

They saw the need to avoid the television for the same reason that they saw the need to avoid the radio in the 1910s, the organ in the early 1800s, or Handel in the 1500s... The new thing is ALWAYS preached agianst... ALWAYS!! That is human nature. Every generation since Christ has preached against whatever new-fangled gadgets those kids are into today... Its about time that we as a people get out of the 1950s and the social mores and codes of that day and age and realize this is 2007... There's new and better things for you to preach against 'cuz its new (like the Internet)

I mean, its funny, you have all this faith in ministers to decide that TV is evil and should be prohibited (even just as a tool to get our name out to people), but you don't have faith in the same ministers to use the tool as a way to evangelize, rather you assume they're just gonna try and take people's money... I think that's kind of absurd...

and, no, I don't know you, but I know your attitude, I've seen it hundreds of times before both in real life and online and its always the same... I can tell your attitude, I can read your arrogance, and I can tell by what you say what you think of me... It isn't hard to do, bro...

See, your passion is rules... Mine is just helping people find God... That's the difference between you and me... I couldn't care less if a lady wears a pair of pants or not as long as she hears "Well done, good and faithful one"... But you don't care anything but about her following the rules... You just don't want her to have a tv or wear makeup (even necessary makeup which is not what the Bible was talking about), or wear pants... Its all about a rulebook with you...

I just want people to know God, to have a relationship with Him... If He wants all that other stuff, He'll let them know Himself...

Your passion is arguing, R. That's all you ever do around here. You say you want to win people and that is your passion? Then post some Bible studies for discussion. Do something other than argue with the traditionalists. They aren't the enemy.

[Praxeas]

and play Devils Advocate

[Praxeas]

I wonder if Jesus ever preached against sin too? Hmmmmmmm

Originally Posted by Rico

Your passion is arguing, R. That's all you ever do around here. You say you want to win people and that is your passion? Then post some Bible studies for discussion. Do something other than argue with the traditionalists. They aren't the enemy.

no, my passion isn't arguing, it really isn't... I know it seems like it... but that's part boredom, to be honest with you...

and I try to write Bible Studies (I have a handful up at my website) I just... I don't know where to start, you know? Its like... in my head I make things way bigger than they need to be... and its hard for me to get focused in on the little things that are actually doable because of those big things that I see....

[tv1a]

It's nice to see your sprit of discernment is as accurate as it ever was. The post reeks of the catholicism doctrine of infallibility.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I am going to greatly regret answering even this one little blurb of yours but here it goes, my boy, every religion should be judged by it's best, and by saying that I must point out that you don't respect those ministers. You are constantly wanting to stress "mistakes," "wrong doings," and "human weakness" but the truth is these men had made their bones and earned their positions back when they chose not to commercialize the United Pentecostal Church International. They were not looking to rip the flesh off of any saint of God, or want to jam up anyone's good time, but they saw the need to avoid the television and not advertise or use its medium.


They saw it as hypocritical to say that one shouldn't watch the garbage that is on it and then turn around and use it to build a business, oh, I mean the Kingdom? Nah, it's all to build a business, nice Hollywood, MGM, in living color with preachers wearing base so their faces won't look pale or ghostly on the television screen. Listen Larry live life and drink a lot of water, oh and by the way you don't know me either, so dig your double standard, and keep in mind it's not personal, it's never personal, just spiritual.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by tv1a

It's nice to see your sprit of discernment is as accurate as it ever was. The post reeks of the catholicism doctrine of infallibility.

And I see you still can't handle the truth. You shouldn't let all this make you so angry, just relax it's not personal.

Television was a bad move. In any event, just remember time proves all things.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[tv1a]

I'm not angry. It's not my double standards on display. Care to explain why you make an idol out of a 30 year tradition? Care to explain why you let decisions made 30 years ago which do not hold up under scrutiny get a free ride?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

And I see you still can't handle the truth. You shouldn't let all this make you so angry, just relax it's not personal.

Television was a bad move. In any event, just remember time proves all things.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com