The Eulogy Begins

Ron · #1 10-01-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

This is the first time the jezebel spirit has been defeated. Legalists don't how handle losing well.

Be very careful who or what you are alluding has a Jezebel Spirit.
A Jezebel Spirit is a real Demon & and to allude or infer that on anyone is putting oneself on dangerous ground with God.

tv1a · #2 10-01-2007, 04:27 PM

I'm not saying anyone has the jezebel spirit. I'm saying the response to the resolution has characteristics of the jezebel spirit. The spirit of control was dealt a blow. The response to that lost of control has a lot similarities.

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Originally Posted by Ron

Be very careful who or what you are alluding has a Jezebel Spirit.
A Jezebel Spirit is a real Demon & and to allude or infer that on anyone is putting oneself on dangerous ground with God.

Ron · #3 10-01-2007, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

I'm not saying anyone has the jezebel spirit. I'm saying the response to the resolution has characteristics of the jezebel spirit. The spirit of control was dealt a blow. The response to that lost of control has a lot similarities.

If we are speaking of control-it is a human thing not a "Conservative" one.
Liberals can be "guilty" of exercising "control!"

pelathais · #4 10-01-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron

If we are speaking of control-it is a human thing not a "Conservative" one.
Liberals can be "guilty" of exercising "control!"

That's an admirably balanced approach to a complex issue, Ron. But in the context of the Apostolic movement where is the "control" most problematic?

In the Apostolic movement those who seek to "control" also describe themselves as "consrvatives." Personally, to me that's an oxymoron (a "controling" conservative) but that's the way in which the debate has been framed.

Ron · #5 10-01-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

That's an admirably balanced approach to a complex issue, Ron. But in the context of the Apostolic movement where is the "control" most problematic?

In the Apostolic movement those who seek to "control" also describe themselves as "consrvatives." Personally, to me that's an oxymoron (a "controling" conservative) but that's the way in which the debate has been framed.

Face it, liberals & Conservatives are guilty of it as well.

Praxeas · #6 10-01-2007, 10:02 PM

Could it be....that many of our dear UC friends were taunted by a bigger brother that the boogie man was going to get them and eat their soul?

Oh man....Im too much...wait wait...don't lose that "deer in the headlights" look on your faces...I need to steal your souls

haha :-)

dizzyde · #7 10-01-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Could it be....that many of our dear UC friends were taunted by a bigger brother that the boogie man was going to get them and eat their soul?

Oh man....Im too much...wait wait...don't lose that "deer in the headlights" look on your faces...I need to steal your souls

haha :-)

BobDylan · #8 10-01-2007, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

That's an admirably balanced approach to a complex issue, Ron. But in the context of the Apostolic movement where is the "control" most problematic?

In the Apostolic movement those who seek to "control" also describe themselves as "consrvatives." Personally, to me that's an oxymoron (a "controling" conservative) but that's the way in which the debate has been framed.

I think "conservative" and "control" are nearly synonomous in that to conserve means to keep in control the amount of change that is experienced by a population (that's my TIC definition). The problem is that this "change" that conservatives try to keep under "control" may be bad chabge, or it may be good change... but either way they are opposed to change, in methods, in paradigm, etc.... even the "good" change.

What if we threw out the last 100 years history of the apostolic movement in America, and all of a sudden, someone in the middle of Chicago began to receive revelation about oneness, Jesus Name Baptism, and Holy Ghost and tongues... and in a similar manner to Parham, he prayed and received the Holy Ghost on Jan 1, 2001.... in his searching for further leading of the Spirit, would the Spirit reject the use of television as a means to advertise this truth? My point is that this whole argument against the use of television is based on a paradigm of apostolic pentecost that is based in a 1950's mentality. I do believe the Chicago pastor would conclude that it is best not to make TV a primary means of entertainment, and may even encourage people to not have it in their homes, but this position may not preclude harnassing it's real effectiveness in advertising his meeting times, and influencing interest in his community about what is going on in the church he has established.

James Griffin · #9 10-01-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BobDylan

I think "conservative" and "control" are nearly synonomous in that to conserve means to keep in control the amount of change that is experienced by a population (that's my TIC definition). The problem is that this "change" that conservatives try to keep under "control" may be bad chabge, or it may be good change... but either way they are opposed to change, in methods, in paradigm, etc.... even the "good" change.

What if we threw out the last 100 years history of the apostolic movement in America, and all of a sudden, someone in the middle of Chicago began to receive revelation about oneness, Jesus Name Baptism, and Holy Ghost and tongues... and in a similar manner to Parham, he prayed and received the Holy Ghost on Jan 1, 2001.... in his searching for further leading of the Spirit, would the Spirit reject the use of television as a means to advertise this truth? My point is that this whole argument against the use of television is based on a paradigm of apostolic pentecost that is based in a 1950's mentality. I do believe the Chicago pastor would conclude that it is best not to make TV a primary means of entertainment, and may even encourage people to not have it in their homes, but this position may not preclude harnassing it's real effectiveness in advertising his meeting times, and influencing interest in his community about what is going on in the church he has established.

You really need to change your avatar, You are far too articulate for Dylan