well it is a lot more complicated than your explination, but I do agree with you that TV isnt the cause of any split. To quote some of the men that are leaving, this was just the final straw.
I don't even know about that...
I think it was just everyone else finally calling them on thier "my way or the highway" claim...
so now they either need to back off on thier demands that eveyrone does everything thier way and actually discuss things and find compromises, or actually choose the highway like they threatened to do...
It is the bolded part that I really hope & pray you are right Bro cause this issue since Friday & talk of people leaving has grieved my heart.
I know that are good people on both sides.
Ron, this is likely to be the harshest thing I will say on the subject, because I too know some good men who are going to seperate from the UPCI over this and it bothers me...
but, some of us have been grieved for a long time over men who were forced out of the UPCI a decade and a half ago, in some measure by some of the men that are leaving over this. when one considers that aspect, it is hard to be grieved any more by this, than I have already been over the other.
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Ron, this is likely to be the harshest thing I will say on the subject, because I too know some good men who are going to seperate from the UPCI over this and it bothers me...
but, some of us have been grieved for a long time over men who were forced out of the UPCI a decade and a half ago, in some measure by some of the men that are leaving over this. when one considers that aspect, it is hard to be grieved any more by this, than I have already been over the other.
Can't someone stay on the subject of TV.
Can't anyone defend TV on it's own merits?
Again...I am not trying to defend Tv...
I am simply stating that the reasons given to forbid TV are even more valid to forbid the use of the Internet.
CS is the one who brought the "redeeming/no redeeming value" argument up...which is what I believe Bro. Booker used in his rant against the TV resolution 3 years ago in Salt Lake.
The reason the Internet is brought up in the debate is because of the inconsistency surrounding the use of technology in general. What many UCs--who advocate the use of TV--don't seem to understand is that one cannot legislate holiness against TV unless there is a consistent legislated holiness that forbids ALL forms of broadcast media which would include the Internet for sure!!!!
So maybe you should ask the UC/Con side why the restriction against TV cannot be defended on it's own merits and not on the qualifying basis of the redeeming qualities of the Internet. And the fact that they will come on this medium (which is far worse) and harp about that medium is terribly inconsistent at best and terribly hypocritical at worst....
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Pelathais, I sure hope you don't get banned for telling the truth.
I have seen so many lies posted. The best one is the one Triumphant 1 did his best to combat. You know, the hair cutting party thing?
Prominent members of this board chose to believe the lie and even continue to spread it, even though T1 had totally proved it was false.
This is the first time the jezebel spirit has been defeated.
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the thing is... I don't think its this issue that is causing the split...
I think, especially reading the posts of the UCs on here and realizing they are splitting and planning on doing it immediately after it was passed, that they were only going to stay as long as everything was done exactly how they wanted it...
it was only a matter of time before those brethren either split or forced the people they didn't want around (the people on the more liberal side of things) to split...
a split was inevitable because one side refused to even discuss things... no amount of negotiation or time or anything was going to stop the inevitable...
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This is the first time the jezebel spirit has been defeated. Legalists don't how handle losing well.
Be very careful who or what you are alluding has a Jezebel Spirit.
A Jezebel Spirit is a real Demon & and to allude or infer that on anyone is putting oneself on dangerous ground with God.
I'm not saying anyone has the jezebel spirit. I'm saying the response to the resolution has characteristics of the jezebel spirit. The spirit of control was dealt a blow. The response to that lost of control has a lot similarities.
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Be very careful who or what you are alluding has a Jezebel Spirit.
A Jezebel Spirit is a real Demon & and to allude or infer that on anyone is putting oneself on dangerous ground with God.
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Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
I'm not saying anyone has the jezebel spirit. I'm saying the response to the resolution has characteristics of the jezebel spirit. The spirit of control was dealt a blow. The response to that lost of control has a lot similarities.
If we are speaking of control-it is a human thing not a "Conservative" one.
Liberals can be "guilty" of exercising "control!"
If we are speaking of control-it is a human thing not a "Conservative" one.
Liberals can be "guilty" of exercising "control!"
That's an admirably balanced approach to a complex issue, Ron. But in the context of the Apostolic movement where is the "control" most problematic?
In the Apostolic movement those who seek to "control" also describe themselves as "consrvatives." Personally, to me that's an oxymoron (a "controling" conservative) but that's the way in which the debate has been framed.
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