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View Poll Results: Adino's statement (in post #1) expresses my understanding concerning water baptism:
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10-02-2007, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Encryptus
If baptism "washes away sin", how does one get the HG before sins are remitted?
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Some SBR's say you really didn't receive it ... it's a knock-off.
While others say as long as the ingredients of the recipe are there ....
while others don't know what to say ...
This issue of Sinful Union has been discussed in the Deeper Waters part of this forum.
Acts 10 smacks most PAJCers in the face.
If the HG is resurrection ... how does one resurrect before the death and burial of baptism???
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10-02-2007, 07:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Some SBR's say you really didn't receive it ... it's a knock-off.
While others say as long as ingredients of the recipe are there ....
while others don't know what to say ...
This issue of Sinful Union has been discussed in the Deeper Waters part of this forum.
Acts 10 smacks most PAJCers in the face.
If the HG is resurrection ... how does one resurrect before the death and burial of baptism??? |
So the three steppers believe Cornelius was a mistake or that he faked it so well that Peter was confused?
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10-02-2007, 07:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Some SBR's say you really didn't receive it ... it's a knock-off.
While others say as long as ingredients of the recipe are there ....
while others don't know what to say ...
This issue of Sinful Union has been discussed in the Deeper Waters part of this forum.
Acts 10 smacks most PAJCers in the face.
If the HG is resurrection ... how does one resurrect before the death and burial of baptism??? |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Encryptus
So the three steppers believe Cornelius was a mistake or that he faked it so well that Peter was confused?
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But fooish and unlearned question avoid...........  :killin me
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10-02-2007, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RevDWW
But fooish and unlearned question avoid........... :killin me |
So Cornelius did really recieve the HG BEFORE being baptised? BUT how is that possible?
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10-02-2007, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Encryptus
So Cornelius did really recieve the HG BEFORE being baptised? BUT how is that possible?
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Simple ...God made residence w/ the body of sin ... that is removed later in water baptism.
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10-02-2007, 07:46 PM
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And the question that was avoided earlier? If Joe get HG, speaks in tongues, after sincerely repenting, but dies before making it to church to "be Buried" and "have sins washed away", he is doomed to hell.
God Who knows the future and that he would not make it to the church to be baptised, just filled him for a teaser?
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10-02-2007, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Encryptus
And the question that was avoided earlier? If Joe get HG, speaks in tongues, after sincerely repenting, but dies before making it to church to "be Buried" and "have sins washed away", he is doomed to hell.
God Who knows the future and that he would not make it to the church to be baptised, just filled him for a teaser?
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Some would actually be so heartless as to say "yes." The fact that God allowed Joe to die is evidence that Joe was a vessel made for destruction.
For my part, I believe that we are saved by grace through faith. We don't need to have re-enacted Calvary just the way Jesus did it to be saved.
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10-02-2007, 10:13 PM
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His word burns in my heart like a fire...Fire Fall Down
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Encryptus
And the question that was avoided earlier? If Joe get HG, speaks in tongues, after sincerely repenting, but dies before making it to church to "be Buried" and "have sins washed away", he is doomed to hell.
God Who knows the future and that he would not make it to the church to be baptised, just filled him for a teaser?
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The guy was bamboozled...I tell ya he was hoodwinked...
oy vey.
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10-02-2007, 07:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Simple ...God made residence w/ the body of sin ... that is removed later in water baptism.
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Or God made residence within a repentant soul who has turned from their old ways of sin to walking in God's ways. The body of sin is not the same as actively walking in sin. We still need to be freed from the body of sin that somehow only the blood of Christ can wash away.
Dan, what happens when a Spirit filled Christian sins? Does God still remain in residence? Or must God leave until repentance has taken place?
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10-02-2007, 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mizpeh
Or God made residence within a repentant soul who has turned from their old ways of sin to walking in God's ways. The body of sin is not the same as actively walking in sin. We still need to be freed from the body of sin that somehow only the blood of Christ can wash away.
Dan, what happens when a Spirit filled Christian sins? Does God still remain in residence? Or must God leave until repentance has taken place?
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This body of sin doctrine being removed only through baptism has no witnesses. What's it a tumor?
Second ... our justification through the shed blood of Jesus Christ... puts us in good standing w/ God ....from the moment we place our faith in Him.... which produces works to meet repentance.
We will sin ... after our New Birth but if we confess our sins ... as it was in the beginning ... He cleanses us.
if we may confess our sins, steadfast He is and righteous that He may forgive us the sins, and may cleanse us from every unrighteousness; ...
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