Excellent point. So a troubled "conservative" within the UPC should also lay aside his "liberties" and remain faithful to the org. Otherwise, if he is try to leave and rallying others to leave as well he is manifesting a "homosexual spirit" because they seek to "control?"
HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
I truely think a man must in these days follow his conscience and convictions. But if he follows God, he will not spend all his days destoying those things that may not be up to his par. He will seek to strengthen those that he see's as weaker.
What does your name mean? I can't go on Wordshare or CAF? When I google it I'm led back to AFF!
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Sorry, off topic in this thread. Admins would bust me for sure.
P. Elathais
Bust you for what? A strange name?
Then let it remain a mystery.
BTW, I responded to your post on John 3:5 on the baptism thread started by TBpew.
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
Note I said "COULD". And I did not state that for the Libs alone, as the cons could be in the same catagory. Any spirit that would "force" acceptance or compliance is not of God, as God does not "force" acceptance or compliance.
So you are saying Westberg and all those who push the AS are not of God?
I think #52 points out what's at the heart of this discussion. For years people have had to sit and listen while "conservatives" violated #52 - "I could smell those liberals when I flew over Idaho..." without the "conservatives" ever being challenged.
We had a gang of school yard bullies running through our organization who were given pretty much free reign to say and do whatever they wanted.
Do a GOOGLE search on the "UPC" and the word "cult." In every example that the so-called "anti-cult" people cite of "abuse" within the UPC it is a case where some "conservative" took the "conservative" principles and got in trouble. This has been a source of constant embarassment to people in the UPC.
Not only has this faction continually abused the saints that God has placed in their care, but they have defied the Manual and our elected leaders and heaped scorn upon everyone who didn't follow in lock step with them.
Even though he was willing to lay aside his liberties, it still wasn't good enough for the legalists. The legalists started a riot and Paul was almost killed. The moral of the story? The only way to appease legalists is total submission to their opinion. Thanks for making my point for me.
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Originally Posted by stmatthew
This same Paul put aside his liberty to finish a vow for the folks at Jerusalem. The fact is, Paul was willing to put aside his liberties for the reaching of all, even if it meant following the Jewish Law.
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I truely think a man must in these days follow his conscience and convictions. But if he follows God, he will not spend all his days destoying those things that may not be up to his par. He will seek to strengthen those that he see's as weaker.
In these days? What about everyday?
Your underlined statement is very well put!
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