Ministerial Ethics, Dropping Out and TV: Did You Forget You Agreed to This? - Page 23

Darcie · #**221** 10-05-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Is it alienation to not fellowship those that do not hold the same standards you do, and yet still have fellowship with those that do??

See, while I am in agreement that a conservative should not force those things that are convictions upon those that do not have them, I also am against the libs that think they have to force the conservative to "accept their liberties". This could be looked at as the same spirit that the homosexuals have when they attempt to force acceptance of their lifestyle.

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

UUUUHHHMMM.... Bro. Matthew sir, with all do respect, I do not like the t.v. thing. But haven't we always been the UNITED Pentecostal Church? Emphasis on united. Isn't it kind of unfair to liken your brethren who hasn't always agreed on everything as a homosexual? I think thats unfair.

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Originally Posted by pelathais

"Same spirit?" Whoa, Matt. Someone preaching that "Christ has made you free..." is of the same spirit as a homosexual?

no response?

tv1a · #**222** 10-05-2007, 07:50 PM

Twice Paul had to confront Peter about forcing unbiblical mandates on the Gentiles. Paul Paul took on the Peter when it became apparent that the double standard was confusing Titus. There is biblical precedence for challenging legalism with liberty. Liberty won everytime. Without a church split.

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Is it alienation to not fellowship those that do not hold the same standards you do, and yet still have fellowship with those that do??

See, while I am in agreement that a conservative should not force those things that are convictions upon those that do not have them, I also am against the libs that think they have to force the conservative to "accept their liberties". This could be looked at as the same spirit that the homosexuals have when they attempt to force acceptance of their lifestyle.

Darcie · #**223** 10-05-2007, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

Twice Paul had to confront Peter about forcing unbiblical mandates on the Gentiles. Paul Paul took on the Peter when it became apparent that the double standard was confusing Titus. There is biblical precedence for challenging legalism with liberty. Liberty won everytime. Without a church split.

pelathais · #**224** 10-05-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Darcie

While we await the awaited response... I see Darcie's smilie with the hanky wave. Remember all those time that the preacher told people to take out a hanky and offer a "wave offering" to the Lord? Or how about whenever the preacher told people to simply lift their hands and everyone responded at the same time. Was that "choreography?"

And now... back to you thread...

stmatthew · #**225** 10-05-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Is it alienation to not fellowship those that do not hold the same standards you do, and yet still have fellowship with those that do??

See, while I am in agreement that a conservative should not force those things that are convictions upon those that do not have them, I also am against the libs that think they have to force the conservative to "accept their liberties". This could be looked at as the same spirit that the homosexuals have when they attempt to force acceptance of their lifestyle.

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

UUUUHHHMMM.... Bro. Matthew sir, with all do respect, I do not like the t.v. thing. But haven't we always been the UNITED Pentecostal Church? Emphasis on united. Isn't it kind of unfair to liken your brethren who hasn't always agreed on everything as a homosexual? I think thats unfair.

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Originally Posted by pelathais

"Same spirit?" Whoa, Matt. Someone preaching that "Christ has made you free..." is of the same spirit as a homosexual?

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Originally Posted by Darcie

no response?

Took me a moment to get back here....

Note I said "COULD". And I did not state that for the Libs alone, as the cons could be in the same catagory. Any spirit that would "force" acceptance or compliance is not of God, as God does not "force" acceptance or compliance.

stmatthew · #**226** 10-05-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

Twice Paul had to confront Peter about forcing unbiblical mandates on the Gentiles. Paul Paul took on the Peter when it became apparent that the double standard was confusing Titus. There is biblical precedence for challenging legalism with liberty. Liberty won everytime. Without a church split.

This same Paul put aside his liberty to finish a vow for the folks at Jerusalem. The fact is, Paul was willing to put aside his liberties for the reaching of all, even if it meant following the Jewish Law.

BrotherEastman · #**227** 10-05-2007, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Took me a moment to get back here....

Note I said "COULD". And I did not state that for the Libs alone, as the cons could be in the same catagory. Any spirit that would "force" acceptance or compliance is not of God, as God does not "force" acceptance or compliance.

Gotcha.

pelathais · #**228** 10-05-2007, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Took me a moment to get back here....

Note I said "COULD". And I did not state that for the Libs alone, as the cons could be in the same catagory. Any spirit that would "force" acceptance or compliance is not of God, as God does not "force" acceptance or compliance.

Okay. Putting the frilly sock on both feet mollifies my concerns.

This "spirit" is one of "control?" When someone (from either end of the spectrum and from any point in between) tries to "force" or "control" their brethren it is a manifestation of a "homosexual spirit?"

pelathais · #**229** 10-05-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

This same Paul put aside his liberty to finish a vow for the folks at Jerusalem. The fact is, Paul was willing to put aside his liberties for the reaching of all, even if it meant following the Jewish Law.

Excellent point. So a troubled "conservative" within the UPC should also lay aside his "liberties" and remain faithful to the org. Otherwise, if he is try to leave and rallying others to leave as well he is manifesting a "homosexual spirit" because they seek to "control?"

stmatthew · #**230** 10-05-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Okay. Putting the frilly sock on both feet mollifies my concerns.

This "spirit" is one of "control?" When someone (from either end of the spectrum and from any point in between) tries to "force" or "control" their brethren it is a manifestation of a "homosexual spirit?"

I wouldn't take it that far. I think the 2 are separate. The homo spirit is one of perversion. The spirit that demands acceptance is one that attempts to control and dominate, and bring one under submission to it.

I am no expert on this by any means, and have failed in my attempts in the past to explain what I see in this.