Jehovah-Jesus by C.H. Yadon

[Steve Epley]

I wish I has my copy like many books it is gone. I do not think it is actually a Oneness book it sounds more like an Arian book. I read somewhere it was a copy of an earlier Arian book?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I wish I has my copy like many books it is gone. I do not think it is actually a Oneness book it sounds more like an Arian book. I read somewhere it was a copy of an earlier Arian book?

Eld. Epley,
When I read it many years ago I got the impression Bro. Yadon was teaching two Gods --a big God named YHWH and a lesser god (a created being) named Jesus. To me it sounded sort of like what I understood Bishop Hancock of the PCAF taught. I could be wrong on both of these opinions.

Some time back in the past I read something by an anti-Oneness person who claimed that Bro. Yadon had plagiarized a previous book that presented Jesus as the Archangel Michael as the JW's do. He claimed that Bro. Yadon had pretty well reproduced that arian book with just a few word changes here and there. I don't know how accurate that was since the person (and I don't remember now who it was) was anti-Oneness.

My former pastor, F.E. Curts, one time referred to Bro. Yadon as "old two god Yadon" when he was talking to me. I don't remember anything else about that conversation.

I would like to read the book again just to see what it really says (or at least what I think it says or how I understand what he is saying).

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Sam

Eld. Epley,
When I read it many years ago I got the impression Bro. Yadon was teaching two Gods --a big God named YHWH and a lesser god (a created being) named Jesus. To me it sounded sort of like what I understood Bishop Hancock of the PCAF taught. I could be wrong on both of these opinions.

Some time back in the past I read something by an anti-Oneness person who claimed that Bro. Yadon had plagiarized a previous book that presented Jesus as the Archangel Michael as the JW's do. He claimed that Bro. Yadon had pretty well reproduced that arian book with just a few word changes here and there. I don't know how accurate that was since the person (and I don't remember now who it was) was anti-Oneness.

My former pastor, F.E. Curts, one time referred to Bro. Yadon as "old two god Yadon" when he was talking to me. I don't remember anything else about that conversation.

I would like to read the book again just to see what it really says (or at least what I think it says or how I understand what he is saying).

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I thought it spoke of YHWH and the Man Christ Jesus. Sometimes folks think a teacher is teaching atleast 2 Gods. Because they talk about Jesus the Man and Jesus the Word Made Flesh. The beginning being YHWH.

I would like to read the book as well.

Nathan Eckstadt

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Neck

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I thought it spoke of YHWH and the Man Christ Jesus. Sometimes folks think a teacher is teaching atleast 2 Gods. Because they talk about Jesus the Man and Jesus the Word Made Flesh. The beginning being YHWH.

I would like to read the book as well.

Nathan Eckstadt

I also would like to take another look at it.

[Sam]

A couple of brief quotes from "God in Christ Jesus" by John Paterson copyright 1966, pages 7-9

"Now what is a "word"? is it not the expression of an inward abstract thought in a substantial concrete form? It means this in English, but, as a matter of fact, the Greek word Logos means not only the expression of the thought, but also the inward thought itself. So we conclude that the Word was the visible expression of the invisible God --in other words, the invisible God embodied in visible form; and not only this, but the Word was, essentially, nothing less than the Eternal God Himself,...

...the One who showed Himself to Abraham, and to Moses, and to the elders of Israel was none other than the eternal Spirit in a visible, personal FORM under the exalted name of Jehovah, the Word.

From the Scriptures quoted it should be obvious that the Word was not merely an impersonal thought existing in the mind of God but was, in reality, the Eternal Spirit Himself clothed upon by a visible and personal form, mercifully veiling the fulness of His glory from His obedient creatures...

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Sam

A couple of brief quotes from "God in Christ Jesus" by John Paterson copyright 1966, pages 7-9

"Now what is a "word"? is it not the expression of an inward abstract thought in a substantial concrete form? It means this in English, but, as a matter of fact, the Greek word Logos means not only the expression of the thought, but also the inward thought itself. So we conclude that the Word was the visible expression of the invisible God --in other words, the invisible God embodied in visible form; and not only this, but the Word was, essentially, nothing less than the Eternal God Himself,...

...the One who showed Himself to Abraham, and to Moses, and to the elders of Israel was none other than the eternal Spirit in a visible, personal FORM under the exalted name of Jehovah, the Word.

From the Scriptures quoted it should be obvious that the Word was not merely an impersonal thought existing in the mind of God but was, in reality, the Eternal Spirit Himself clothed upon by a visible and personal form, mercifully veiling the fulness of His glory from His obedient creatures...

That seems to be the "Christophany" teaching. This is the idea that the man Jesus was to become was the "Ideal" of all men and possessed an appearance even before the Babe was born in Bethlehem.

This teaching is rooted in Platonic philosophy though most Christians who espouse it deny the connection. But Plato taught that everything that possessed any kind of form in the natural world had an "Ideal" in the realm of the Spirit or highest thought. Thus, for all of the horses in the world there was one "ideal" horse which was the pattern that all natural horses attempted to assume.

The same worked for ideas themselves. Our attempts to comprehend justice, for example, are the clumsy and defective natural attempts to replicate the ideal of "Justice" which exists in the Spirit realm or the realm of "Pure Thought."

So, Jesus was the "ideal man." He was the man who possessed all of the qualities that we feebly attempt to imitate. He has always existed and represents the "Ideal" form that all of humanity groans to achieve.

At least that's what they say.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Brother David

That seems to be the "Christophany" teaching. This is the idea that the man Jesus was to become was the "Ideal" of all men and possessed an appearance even before the Babe was born in Bethlehem.

This teaching is rooted in Platonic philosophy though most Christians who espouse it deny the connection. But Plato taught that everything that possessed any kind of form in the natural world had an "Ideal" in the realm of the Spirit or highest thought. Thus, for all of the horses in the world there was one "ideal" horse which was the pattern that all natural horses attempted to assume.

The same worked for ideas themselves. Our attempts to comprehend justice, for example, are the clumsy and defective natural attempts to replicate the ideal of "Justice" which exists in the Spirit realm or the realm of "Pure Thought."

So, Jesus was the "ideal man." He was the man who possessed all of the qualities that we feebly attempt to imitate. He has always existed and represents the "Ideal" form that all of humanity groans to achieve.

At least that's what they say.

Hi Dave,

I have been teaching this doctrine for 29 years. I have never heard the idea you are attributing it. It is fully supported in the Old Testament and is the revelation of One God and one manifestation of himself.