Jehovah-Jesus by C.H. Yadon

[Michael The Disciple]

Sam

I had a copy of his book at one time and read it. I don't remember much about it. It seemed like he wound up with "two" in the godhead --the invisible Spirit and God localized as the Word, so, maybe it wasn't really two beings but God manifested two ways. That belief in Jesus as the Word was also held by Bishop Haywood , John Paterson, Ted Fitch and several others.

They taught the true Biblical Oneness doctrine. One God manifest in two ways.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Neck

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I thought it spoke of YHWH and the Man Christ Jesus. Sometimes folks think a teacher is teaching atleast 2 Gods. Because they talk about Jesus the Man and Jesus the Word Made Flesh. The beginning being YHWH.

I would like to read the book as well.

Nathan Eckstadt

I also would like to take another look at it.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

They taught the true Biblical Oneness doctrine. One God manifest in two ways.

One God Who is both "above all" and simultaneously "through all?"

[Sam]

A couple of brief quotes from "God in Christ Jesus" by John Paterson copyright 1966, pages 7-9

"Now what is a "word"? is it not the expression of an inward abstract thought in a substantial concrete form? It means this in English, but, as a matter of fact, the Greek word Logos means not only the expression of the thought, but also the inward thought itself. So we conclude that the Word was the visible expression of the invisible God --in other words, the invisible God embodied in visible form; and not only this, but the Word was, essentially, nothing less than the Eternal God Himself,...

...the One who showed Himself to Abraham, and to Moses, and to the elders of Israel was none other than the eternal Spirit in a visible, personal FORM under the exalted name of Jehovah, the Word.

From the Scriptures quoted it should be obvious that the Word was not merely an impersonal thought existing in the mind of God but was, in reality, the Eternal Spirit Himself clothed upon by a visible and personal form, mercifully veiling the fulness of His glory from His obedient creatures...

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Sam

A couple of brief quotes from "God in Christ Jesus" by John Paterson copyright 1966, pages 7-9

"Now what is a "word"? is it not the expression of an inward abstract thought in a substantial concrete form? It means this in English, but, as a matter of fact, the Greek word Logos means not only the expression of the thought, but also the inward thought itself. So we conclude that the Word was the visible expression of the invisible God --in other words, the invisible God embodied in visible form; and not only this, but the Word was, essentially, nothing less than the Eternal God Himself,...

...the One who showed Himself to Abraham, and to Moses, and to the elders of Israel was none other than the eternal Spirit in a visible, personal FORM under the exalted name of Jehovah, the Word.

From the Scriptures quoted it should be obvious that the Word was not merely an impersonal thought existing in the mind of God but was, in reality, the Eternal Spirit Himself clothed upon by a visible and personal form, mercifully veiling the fulness of His glory from His obedient creatures...

That seems to be the "Christophany" teaching. This is the idea that the man Jesus was to become was the "Ideal" of all men and possessed an appearance even before the Babe was born in Bethlehem.

This teaching is rooted in Platonic philosophy though most Christians who espouse it deny the connection. But Plato taught that everything that possessed any kind of form in the natural world had an "Ideal" in the realm of the Spirit or highest thought. Thus, for all of the horses in the world there was one "ideal" horse which was the pattern that all natural horses attempted to assume.

The same worked for ideas themselves. Our attempts to comprehend justice, for example, are the clumsy and defective natural attempts to replicate the ideal of "Justice" which exists in the Spirit realm or the realm of "Pure Thought."

So, Jesus was the "ideal man." He was the man who possessed all of the qualities that we feebly attempt to imitate. He has always existed and represents the "Ideal" form that all of humanity groans to achieve.

At least that's what they say.

[Sam]

There is a book titled "If Ye Know These Things" by Dr. Ross Drysdale available online at:
http://web.archive.org/web/200410152...m/dryindex.htm

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Brother David

That seems to be the "Christophany" teaching. This is the idea that the man Jesus was to become was the "Ideal" of all men and possessed an appearance even before the Babe was born in Bethlehem.

This teaching is rooted in Platonic philosophy though most Christians who espouse it deny the connection. But Plato taught that everything that possessed any kind of form in the natural world had an "Ideal" in the realm of the Spirit or highest thought. Thus, for all of the horses in the world there was one "ideal" horse which was the pattern that all natural horses attempted to assume.

The same worked for ideas themselves. Our attempts to comprehend justice, for example, are the clumsy and defective natural attempts to replicate the ideal of "Justice" which exists in the Spirit realm or the realm of "Pure Thought."

So, Jesus was the "ideal man." He was the man who possessed all of the qualities that we feebly attempt to imitate. He has always existed and represents the "Ideal" form that all of humanity groans to achieve.

At least that's what they say.

Hi Dave,

I have been teaching this doctrine for 29 years. I have never heard the idea you are attributing it. It is fully supported in the Old Testament and is the revelation of One God and one manifestation of himself.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Hi Dave,

I have been teaching this doctrine for 29 years. I have never heard the idea you are attributing it. It is fully supported in the Old Testament and is the revelation of One God and one manifestation of himself.

A lot of people have said that the Jewish scriptures as well as the NT were interacting with this Hellenic concept, or at least using similar motifs to express what God was revealing to them. Romans 8:29 is often used as an example.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Dan,

Did he have "sons" who followed him in this belief? Where are they?

Morse seems to be an enigma, Mike. I don't know if any of those who he influenced adapted annihilation ... according to Fudge's research he never really accepted by the Oneness radicals ... Although it appears Goss kept ties with him throughout.

From a recent conversation I learned that Clyde Haney and David Gray met their wives at his bible training school.

He lost favor with guys in the UPC eventually following the "Latter Rain" crowd while also believing in the annihilation of the wicked and possibly some would say dualism.

Ewart writes in a letter about Morse teaching "Jesus was a created being and is separate from the Father".

In a recent GC conference, I think 2008, I distinctly remember Kenneth Haney recalling how his dad and uncle David Gray had to break ties with some over Latter Rain doctrine which had crept into the Oneness movement.

Morse is an interesting man that I think deserves more research and study.

This PCI man was a mentor to Gray, Haney, Yadon, Scism and Vouga and
Others.

[Michael The Disciple]

No doubt the greatest Teaching on this version of Oneness doctrine was by the late John Eckstat. I have never heard more marvelous teaching in my life.