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Old 10-23-2007, 04:16 PM
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I have never heard that before, but I can just imagine that somewhere out there is someone who has and is proclaiming the eating of any fruit without seeds, a sin.
(Like seedless watermelons and oranges....)
R/W, lol Just a little food for thought. (pun intended)

I think that considering those things sin is a bit over the top, but I don't think that man's fooling with the genetics of plants and animals is an improvement over God's creation. Seedless watermelons, oranges and grapes are probably not as good for you as the unaltered varieties.

Every food you eat has been altered by man to some degree or the other. If you wanted to grow a garden, every seed you could buy is hybred seed. You cannot grow a crop next year from the seeds you harvest this year. The mega-agricultural giants (ei: Cargil, ConAgra etc.) make sure you have to come back to them next year to buy more seeds.

I remember my grandma used to save the seeds from her biggest tomatoes, potatoes and other veggies to plant next year. You can't do that anymore, because the seeds you buy have been selectively cross-pollenated (sic) to produce certain desired characteristics. Once they have been altered, they rarely reproduce.

God said in creation, let everything produce: "...after his kind". I have at my farm, an equine that is half horse and half donkey, but it will not reproduce. Why? Because God set a law in the earth: "Let everything produce after his/their kind."

There's lots more I could say on this subject, but It is way too big for this forum.
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Old 10-23-2007, 04:21 PM
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Every food you eat has been altered by man to some degree or the other. If you wanted to grow a garden, every seed you buy is hybred seed. You cannot grow a crop next year from the seeds you harvest this year. The mega-agricultural giants (ei: Cargil, ConAgra etc.) make sure you have to come back to them next year to buy more seeds.
It's not a conspiracy on the part of the major seed producers. The problem is cross pollination. You get a superior plant the first year, but without VERY careful pollination, you will get squat the following year. (My father-in-law runs a 500+ acre produce farm, so set me straight when I asked him about simply keeping a few good plants for seeds..... Well, that and the time needed to de-seed enough plants to get enough for the next planting.)

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I think that considering those things sin is a bit over the top, but I don't think that man's fooling with the genetics of plants and animals is an improvement over God's creation. Seedless watermelons, oranges and grapes are probably not as good for you as the unaltered varieties.
Ok, on this point I very much doubt there is any nutritional difference between the two and even if there were it would be so minute as to be pointless. I personally LOVE eating oranges and grapefruits that genetic science has removed the seeds from.....
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Old 10-23-2007, 04:27 PM
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I knew that would draw a conspiracy comment. lol.
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Old 10-23-2007, 04:29 PM
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There is a movement afoot right now in the UN to make it illegal to save seeds from one year to the next.
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Old 10-23-2007, 05:58 PM
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R/W, lol Just a little food for thought. (pun intended)

I think that considering those things sin is a bit over the top, but I don't think that man's fooling with the genetics of plants and animals is an improvement over God's creation. Seedless watermelons, oranges and grapes are probably not as good for you as the unaltered varieties.

Every food you eat has been altered by man to some degree or the other. If you wanted to grow a garden, every seed you could buy is hybred seed. You cannot grow a crop next year from the seeds you harvest this year. The mega-agricultural giants (ei: Cargil, ConAgra etc.) make sure you have to come back to them next year to buy more seeds.

I remember my grandma used to save the seeds from her biggest tomatoes, potatoes and other veggies to plant next year. You can't do that anymore, because the seeds you buy have been selectively cross-pollenated (sic) to produce certain desired characteristics. Once they have been altered, they rarely reproduce.

God said in creation, let everything produce: "...after his kind". I have at my farm, an equine that is half horse and half donkey, but it will not reproduce. Why? Because God set a law in the earth: "Let everything produce after his/their kind."

There's lots more I could say on this subject, but It is way too big for this forum.
What you have is a mule. There are many examples of "mules" in both the plant and animal kingdoms where closely related species are not closely related enough to produce offspring of their own.

However, there are plenty of mules that are fertile and there's a couple of farms that specialized in the offspring of fertile mules. The sale is mid January and my wife usually drags me out there to see the horses. She wants a Percheron - right... like that's gonna happen!
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Old 10-23-2007, 09:00 PM
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What you have is a mule. There are many examples of "mules" in both the plant and animal kingdoms where closely related species are not closely related enough to produce offspring of their own.

However, there are plenty of mules that are fertile and there's a couple of farms that specialized in the offspring of fertile mules. The sale is mid January and my wife usually drags me out there to see the horses. She wants a Percheron - right... like that's gonna happen!
Hey Pelathais,

What I actually have is a henny. The sire was a stud horse. Yes there are a few fertile crosses, but statistically very few.
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Old 10-23-2007, 09:08 PM
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R/W, lol Just a little food for thought. (pun intended)

I think that considering those things sin is a bit over the top, but I don't think that man's fooling with the genetics of plants and animals is an improvement over God's creation. Seedless watermelons, oranges and grapes are probably not as good for you as the unaltered varieties.

Every food you eat has been altered by man to some degree or the other. If you wanted to grow a garden, every seed you could buy is hybred seed. You cannot grow a crop next year from the seeds you harvest this year. The mega-agricultural giants (ei: Cargil, ConAgra etc.) make sure you have to come back to them next year to buy more seeds.

I remember my grandma used to save the seeds from her biggest tomatoes, potatoes and other veggies to plant next year. You can't do that anymore, because the seeds you buy have been selectively cross-pollenated (sic) to produce certain desired characteristics. Once they have been altered, they rarely reproduce.

God said in creation, let everything produce: "...after his kind". I have at my farm, an equine that is half horse and half donkey, but it will not reproduce. Why? Because God set a law in the earth: "Let everything produce after his/their kind."

There's lots more I could say on this subject, but It is way too big for this forum.
There are a lot of seeds that are out there that you can save. You just have to buy the organic or heirloom ones. I used to saved my seeds and replant them the next year and had no problem growing them.
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Old 10-23-2007, 09:12 PM
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Hey Pelathais,

What I actually have is a henny. The sire was a stud horse. Yes there are a few fertile crosses, but statistically very few.
Aren't they always female as well?
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Old 10-23-2007, 09:15 PM
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Ok, on this point I very much doubt there is any nutritional difference between the two and even if there were it would be so minute as to be pointless. I personally LOVE eating oranges and grapefruits that genetic science has removed the seeds from.....[/QUOTE]

Genetic science can never come close to the original that God created. As far as gmo's go check out the experiments they do on animals. Pigs that give birth to empty water sacs.
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