How Many "3 Steppers" Do We Have On Aff???

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Adino

Regeneration does not take place until the heart passes from darkness to light, from death to life, from unbelief to belief. It is the quickening power of God.... the spirit of man is born of the Spirit of God at the moment the humble and remorseful heart is revived at its conversion to faith.

Isaiah 57:15 For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.

While repentance requires a faith in God it does not require a faith in Christ. Again, I point to Cornelius as example. The heart humbled before God does not fully "repent" (i.e., return) to God until Jesus Christ is made the heart's object of faith. This conversion of the humbled heart to Christ takes place in repentance.

Again Adino I am trying to understand what you are saying?
Repentance requirs faith in God but NOT in Christ? Help me some here?
Again does regneration take place BEFORE and APART from repentance?

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Again Adino I am trying to understand what you are saying?
Repentance requirs faith in God but NOT in Christ? Help me some here?
Again does regneration take place BEFORE and APART from repentance?

Steve, repentance is more than simple remorse. It involves more than a turning from sin. It involves a turning back to God. Turning TOWARD God in faith is the ultimate climax of repentance. It involves a reestablishment of God as the sovereign Lord of one's life. In sin faith is misdirected. It is channeled away from God toward man himself. Man trusts more in his own word than in the word of God. In repentance man redirects his dependency back to God. NT repentance required this dependency to be channeled through Jesus Christ. The man returning to God could only rightfully do so if he returned by placing his faith in Jesus Christ.

If a repentant man seeking to return to God has not been introduced to Jesus Christ he cannot yet place his faith in Him. While he may want to return to God with all his heart, he must still hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ in order to reestablish right relationship. There is no other way.

"Again does regneration take place BEFORE and APART from repentance?"

No. Regeneration takes place at the moment man's heart converts to Christ. This regeneration unto life during the process of repenting is why repentance is said to be "repentance unto life/ to salvation." (Acts 11:8; 2Cor 7:9-10)

Can you give me your definition of repentance?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Adino

Steve, repentance is more than simple remorse. It involves more than a turning from sin. It involves a turning back to God. Turning TOWARD God in faith is the ultimate climax of repentance. It involves a reestablishment of God as the sovereign Lord of one's life. In sin faith is misdirected. It is channeled away from God toward man himself. Man trusts more in his own word than in the word of God. In repentance man redirects his dependency back to God. NT repentance required this dependency to be channeled through Jesus Christ. The man returning to God could only rightfully do so if he returned by placing his faith in Jesus Christ.

If a repentant man seeking to return to God has not been introduced to Jesus Christ he cannot yet place his faith in Him. While he may want to return to God with all his heart, he must still hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ in order to reestablish right relationship. There is no other way.

"Again does regneration take place BEFORE and APART from repentance?"

No. Regeneration takes place at the moment man's heart converts to Christ. This regeneration unto life during the process of repenting is why repentance is said to be "repentance unto life/ to salvation." (Acts 11:8; 2Cor 7:9-10)

Can you give me your definition of repentance?

I surely believe repentance is MORE than remorse that is conviction not necessarily repentance.
True repentance is where the convicted sinner confesses his sin-his need for the Saviour-and his turning from his sin to righteousness. However conviction is NOT repentance without the other components. Thanks for the answer though just a little muddy.