For those who want to know...RULES at my church!

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by Amos

Narrow in the sense that they are all anti's.

Pretty simple.

If the pastor (and I have no clue who he even is) were here, we might get an interesting perspective from the other side of the coin.

'Anti' what?

That's why I asked you to go ahead and use your voice to speak for them.

Why would they feel the need to control things so tightly?

[Amos]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

'Anti' what?

That's why I asked you to go ahead and use your voice to speak for them.

Why would they feel the need to control things so tightly?

Mrs......

I realize that it will be very easy for you to take this personally.

I am not defending any particular practice of the pastor in question.

I am just saying that many are judging and making some oretty strong statements about the man based totally on the recollections of those who walked away from the church.

I have lived long enough to know that many times the perspectives of different people looking at the same event can be very different.

We are just getting one side here.

Also, it is a fact that people who "backslide" are very, very inclined to have extremely negative things to say about the church in order to vindicate their own actions.

That is human nature.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Amos

Mrs......

I realize that it will be very easy for you to take this personally.

I am not defending any particular practice of the pastor in question.

I am just saying that many are judging and making some oretty strong statements about the man based totally on the recollections of those who walked away from the church.

I have lived long enough to know that many times the perspectives of different people looking at the same event can be very different.

We are just getting one side here.

Also, it is a fact that people who "backslide" are very, very inclined to have extremely negative things to say about the church in order to vindicate their own actions.

That is human nature.

This is true! Sometimes our recollections can be skewed over time! I'm not saying that the stories in this thread aren't true, but I would be interested to hear the other side of the story. I wonder how they would justify their actions!

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

This is true! Sometimes our recollections can be skewed over time! I'm not saying that the stories in this thread aren't true, but I would be interested to hear the other side of the story. I wonder how they would justify their actions!

Pianoman,

Honestly I am not trying to impugn anyone. I am not questioning the character of any of the recollectors; just wanting to point out that we see things from our own acute angle, and that doesn't always tell the whole story.

This Elder from Oregon has been absolutely dragged through the mud here. I have read some pretty hard statements made against him.

Before we render the verdict, we ought to remember that there are always two sides to every story.

As a pastor, I have been lied on once or twice, and had things twisted completely out of resemblance to the facts often enough to know it can happen.

Wounded spirits can alter perception incredibly. And some wounds are self-inflicted.

Originally Posted by Amos

Pianoman,

Honestly I am not trying to impugn anyone. I am not questioning the character of any of the recollectors; just wanting to point out that we see things from our own acute angle, and that doesn't always tell the whole story.

This Elder from Oregon has been absolutely dragged through the mud here. I have read some pretty hard statements made against him.

Before we render the verdict, we ought to remember that there are always two sides to every story.

As a pastor, I have been lied on once or twice, and had things twisted completely out of resemblance to the facts often enough to know it can happen.

Wounded spirits can alter perception incredibly. And some wounds are self-inflicted.

I belive you called me a backslidder I find that very judgemental about me and you don't know me....I can promise you I have NOT lied and I don't appreciate what you called me or inference that I have not been completely truthful....what happened to us will be burned into our hearts forever...

Originally Posted by Pianoman

This is true! Sometimes our recollections can be skewed over time! I'm not saying that the stories in this thread aren't true, but I would be interested to hear the other side of the story. I wonder how they would justify their actions!

I would like to know as well!

[nahkoe]

I agree with every word of this post. I don't understand some of the assumptions made, but the thoughts after they were made and stated I do agree with.

Originally Posted by Amos

Mrs......

I realize that it will be very easy for you to take this personally.

I am not defending any particular practice of the pastor in question.

I am just saying that many are judging and making some oretty strong statements about the man based totally on the recollections of those who walked away from the church.

I have lived long enough to know that many times the perspectives of different people looking at the same event can be very different.

We are just getting one side here.

Also, it is a fact that people who "backslide" are very, very inclined to have extremely negative things to say about the church in order to vindicate their own actions.

That is human nature.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Amos

Mrs......

I realize that it will be very easy for you to take this personally.

I am not defending any particular practice of the pastor in question.

I am just saying that many are judging and making some oretty strong statements about the man based totally on the recollections of those who walked away from the church.

I have lived long enough to know that many times the perspectives of different people looking at the same event can be very different.

We are just getting one side here.

Also, it is a fact that people who "backslide" are very, very inclined to have extremely negative things to say about the church in order to vindicate their own actions.

That is human nature.

Who is that you are calling a backslider Amos? Many have posted of some pretty disturbing things on this thread Amos, myself included.

Which of these odd rules or standards do YOU see from the other side of the coin.

Is it perhaps the one of having to have pastoral approval to buy a new car or another one....please do tell us which of these that you can see as anything any sane pastor should be bridling his saints with?

[Amos]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Who is that you are calling a backslider Amos? Many have posted of some pretty disturbing things on this thread Amos, myself included.

Which of these odd rules or standards do YOU see from the other side of the coin.

Is it perhaps the one of having to have pastoral approval to buy a new car or another one....please do tell us which of these that you can see as anything any sane pastor should be bridling his saints with?

Frankly, I have a very hard time believing that some of those things were any sort of official "rule."

Things can get blown out of shape pretty easily.

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Amos

Frankly, I have a very hard time believing that some of those things were any sort of official "rule."

Things can get blown out of shape pretty easily.

Brother I was in the smae type of church that Sis ST was in. I have posted some of the rules we had to contend with. let me assure they were rules that caused you to be in trouble if you did not walk in them.

Official...were they written down in a rule book? No but they were spoke of from the pulpit as things to do or not do if you want to be saved.

I'd be happy to post the real name of my old pastor in Illinois and one in Florida..and my real name too. You can check it out for yourself friend...this kind of stupid stuff happens in some churches.

I am glad for you Amos, that you have a hard time believing it. You are indeed fortunate to have been around Pentecost for very long and missed seeing it.