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11-03-2007, 07:10 PM
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Listening to the interview... picking up on some bias I think. He speaks of being saved and going back to the Amish. Then says "the Amish have no real relationship with the Lord..." hmmmm... I think it calls his own experience into question.
At any rate, legalism is something the Amish struggle with, but they are not alone in this.
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I really didn't find his interview to be inconsistent. I understood him to mean "not all Amish" have a real relationship with the Lord. I thought the interview was good. I understand how he could have both views at once. I wrote to him and asked for some info and if there is anything I can do for his organization.
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11-03-2007, 07:16 PM
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I really didn't find his interview to be inconsistent. I understood him to mean "not all Amish" have a real relationship with the Lord. I thought the interview was good. I understand how he could have both views at once. I wrote to him and asked for some info and if there is anything I can do for his organization.
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I understood him to mean all. though he did not say it. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt - seeing that his motives appear good.
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11-03-2007, 07:18 PM
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Pouring is the prefered method and some do pour three times (about a spoonful) in rapid succession while the minister proclaims the authority of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. However, immersion is acceptable, and I know of some cases where it was requested and granted.
I don't know that any Old Orders allow the internet, and most do not allow the computer....
BUT!!!! They do have telephone chat lines that operate very much like this very forum, and are run by moderaters complete with threads, news, even some "gossip", AND banning by way of blocking phone numbers. YES I have the pin numbers and NO I ain't sharing them!
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I must have missed something. Where are you finding these people "online"? Is there a url for it?
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See the bolded part.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-03-2007, 07:31 PM
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See the bolded part.
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Gotcha! Thanks for unraveling this mystery for me
By the way, we have a missionary at our church this weekend from Mali, West Africa. We took her to dinner tonight. Guess where she requested to go? Yep, Don Pablo I can't go there anymore without thinking about our delightful dinner with you and your family. What a nice time!!
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11-03-2007, 07:53 PM
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Gotcha! Thanks for unraveling this mystery for me
By the way, we have a missionary at our church this weekend from Mali, West Africa. We took her to dinner tonight. Guess where she requested to go? Yep, Don Pablo I can't go there anymore without thinking about our delightful dinner with you and your family. What a nice time!! |
Awe.... that makes me miss you guys too! Have a blessed Sun. and please tell Walt hello.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-03-2007, 07:22 PM
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I understood him to mean all. though he did not say it. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt - seeing that his motives appear good.
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Well....to me, that's like saying that in general, Mormons do not get "saved" and being Mormon is more about religion than about God and that they disapprove of "getting saved". The Amish do not appreciate their members "getting saved" and interpreting the Bible for themselves, right? I think the Amish religion itself is more about religion than God. But that doesn't mean that there are not Amish people who are saved.
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11-03-2007, 07:35 PM
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Well....to me, that's like saying that in general, Mormons do not get "saved" and being Mormon is more about religion than about God and that they disapprove of "getting saved". The Amish do not appreciate their members "getting saved" and interpreting the Bible for themselves, right? I think the Amish religion itself is more about religion than God. But that doesn't mean that there are not Amish people who are saved.
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I am not at all comfortable with such an analogy.
A much better comparision to the Amish/Mennonites would be to the non-"Born Again" Christians such as the Lutherans Episcapalians, or Reformed groups.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-03-2007, 07:38 PM
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I am not at all comfortable with such an analogy.
A much better comparision to the Amish/Mennonites would be to the non-"Born Again" Christians such as the Lutherans Episcapalians, or Reformed groups.
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You're analogy isn't quite clear to me. I'm not sure who is supposed to be whom.
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11-03-2007, 07:43 PM
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You're analogy isn't quite clear to me. I'm not sure who is supposed to be whom. |
Sorry.
I would compare the Amish/Mennonites to Lutherans, Episcapalians, or Reformed groups who do not refer to themselves as "Born- Again" Evangelicals.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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11-03-2007, 07:48 PM
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Sorry.
I would compare the Amish/Mennonites to Lutherans, Episcapalians, or Reformed groups who do not refer to themselves as "Born- Again" Evangelicals.
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I would too. I wasn't comparing plain to Mormons. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that. I was just trying to make a comparison about religion vs relationship.
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