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Old 11-03-2007, 06:59 PM
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It's very personal. I still feel naked.
It's OK sister, just don't post the pictures!!
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Anything. Including some approved Amish/Mennonite wedding services. Last night one thread had live coverage of a benefit auction about an hour from my house. The auctioneer was mic'ed directly into a phone line for clarity.

Early in the mornings there are more UltraCon Amish on who only have phones in the shop or barn. The more liberal ones (mostly Mennonite) who have cell phone or house phones will use the speaker feature and it sounds like a radio talk show in their homes. LOL!

ONE OF THE RULES Women speaking "should be kept to a minimum" except for the ladies chat lines. BUT! one can hear the wives telling their husbands what to say in the background.
Sheesh. The men might learn something if they would shut-up and listen. That's probably what they're afraid of!!
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Old 11-03-2007, 07:01 PM
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It's OK sister, just don't post the pictures!!
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None of us could speak the PA Dutch bit except you. I'm glad you're keeping up with it. You should teach it to your girls.
We try to work on it each night at dinner.
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Old 11-03-2007, 07:04 PM
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None of us could speak the PA Dutch bit except you. I'm glad you're keeping up with it. You should teach it to your girls.
There are 160 "online" right now!
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Old 11-03-2007, 07:07 PM
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That's cool. I'd love to listen. I think it's great you are teaching your girls. My grandmother's mother tongue is French. My mother grew up speaking French in her younger years. She can still understand it but can't speak it much. Me, I know a handful of words. It was not offered in school.
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There are 160 "online" right now!
I must have missed something. Where are you finding these people "online"? Is there a url for it?
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Old 11-03-2007, 07:10 PM
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Listening to the interview... picking up on some bias I think. He speaks of being saved and going back to the Amish. Then says "the Amish have no real relationship with the Lord..." hmmmm... I think it calls his own experience into question.

At any rate, legalism is something the Amish struggle with, but they are not alone in this.
I really didn't find his interview to be inconsistent. I understood him to mean "not all Amish" have a real relationship with the Lord. I thought the interview was good. I understand how he could have both views at once. I wrote to him and asked for some info and if there is anything I can do for his organization.
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Old 11-03-2007, 07:12 PM
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This is a little nuance not covered by the books. What ends up being different?
I think you just missed it. Being excommunicated means you are not in right standing with the church and the ordinances you promised to uphold when you joined.

For the Amish the "ban" or "Shunning" is what follows after the excommunication. Once fellow members will cease doing business, eating, and for most practical purposes communicating with the errant one. In some cases the shunning is extended to the marriage bed.... no wonder it works so well for them!


The Old Order Mennonites do not offically practice the ban, or shunning.
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Old 11-03-2007, 07:16 PM
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I really didn't find his interview to be inconsistent. I understood him to mean "not all Amish" have a real relationship with the Lord. I thought the interview was good. I understand how he could have both views at once. I wrote to him and asked for some info and if there is anything I can do for his organization.

I understood him to mean all. though he did not say it. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt - seeing that his motives appear good.
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