I have never had someone come into a church that I [pastor with these types of complaints. If Did I would investigate them to see if they were true, many times thing agree blown all out of proportion. They I would tell the person to get on with their live. Leave the past in the past, have a good prayer meeting and go on.
I can agree with that in most cases, but what of the parent who's children were so battered and physically, as well as spiritually beaten down to the point that they hate God, in prison, and are Satanists? Do you know how to deal with that not only as a pastor but from a parent's POV?
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
I can agree with that in most cases, but what of the parent who's children were so battered and physically, as well as spiritually beaten down to the point that they hate God, in prison, and are Satanists? Do you know how to deal with that not only as a pastor but from a parent's POV?
They must pray through over their bitterness and angry or be lost.
Jesus was crucified and he said forgive them.
Even if one is done wrong they MUST get over it and forgive the person even if the person doesn't ask for forgiveness or they will be lost.
They must pray through over their bitterness and angry or be lost.
Jesus was crucified and he said forgive them.
Even if one is done wrong they MUST get over it and forgive the person even if the person doesn't ask for forgiveness or they will be lost.
Forgiveness is only the first step, and I agree that it must be done, but the situation is far from over even at that stage.
Unlike God, we don't forget.
Have you ever talked to an abuse counselor about things they hear about and how they deal with it? If you've never been through abuse in your life, it's difficult, if not impossible, to understand or even fathom. If you don't understand it, you can't help someone deal with it any further than you've already suggested, but sadly, that's not the end of the problem.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
Forgiveness is only the first step, and I agree that it must be done, but the situation is far from over even at that stage.
Unlike God, we don't forget.
Have you ever talked to an abuse counselor about things they hear about and how they deal with it? If you've never been through abuse in your life, it's difficult, if not impossible, to understand or even fathom. If you don't understand it, you can't help someone deal with it any further than you've already suggested, but sadly, that's not the end of the problem.
I do know what it is like. I had a very bad situation happen to me and my family, I don't wish to reveal or relive it here. I have had to forgive and move on even though they are still after years telling their lies and trying to hurt us.
I do know what it is like. I had a very bad situation happen to me and my family, I don't wish to reveal or relive it here. I have had to forgive and move on even though they are still after years telling their lies and trying to hurt us.
I must forget and forgive or be lost.
There is no scripture that says we must forget. In fact, forgetting is impossible unless God takes the memory from you.
I have to wonder how you would feel and what actions you would take if your pastor entered your house, took your daughter out in the street, and beat her for having a TV in her closet, which turned out to be untrue?
Just forgive and forget? I doubt it. Sorry.
I doubt your daughter would agree with that either. Or your wife, for that matter.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
Forgiveness is only the first step, and I agree that it must be done, but the situation is far from over even at that stage.
Unlike God, we don't forget.
Have you ever talked to an abuse counselor about things they hear about and how they deal with it? If you've never been through abuse in your life, it's difficult, if not impossible, to understand or even fathom. If you don't understand it, you can't help someone deal with it any further than you've already suggested, but sadly, that's not the end of the problem.
I would even say that often times, forgiveness is more in the middle or towards the end of the healing process. But it IS in the process, for sure.
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Psa 19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
1Pe 5:6-7 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
Tit 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
I would even say that often times, forgiveness is more in the middle or towards the end of the healing process. But it IS in the process, for sure.
Sub have you had a chance to read any of keiths post on Sisbreezes thread?
He talks about the process one goes through to get healed, he wrote some good thoughts imo, if you have a chance to read some of his posts it might minister to you-(I hope )
Sub have you had a chance to read any of keiths post on Sisbreezes thread?
He talks about the process one goes through to get healed, he wrote some good thoughts imo, if you have a chance to read some of his posts it might minister to you-(I hope )
Yes, I've been reading that thread & have found Keith's posts quite helpful. Thank you, Jeanie!
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Psa 19:14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
1Pe 5:6-7 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.
Tit 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
They must pray through over their bitterness and angry or be lost.
Jesus was crucified and he said forgive them.
Even if one is done wrong they MUST get over it and forgive the person even if the person doesn't ask for forgiveness or they will be lost.
I can only speak to my emotions here, but I am over it...I am healed .... I am not bitter I have said several times in this thread I love them that hurt me, I pray for them, I have forgave them, and I do over again if I find a bad memory, I ask God to have mercy on them....I hope that they find the peace they so deserve....they are not happy people...it is so difficult to express completely here what all this history of mine is but it started when I was 16....the path that lead me to my old church...I wanted so much to please God and be the best Christian I could be...but believe me no matter how hard I tired...it was never good enough...we might have well lived as amish...it would have been easier probably!
I can agree with that in most cases, but what of the parent who's children were so battered and physically, as well as spiritually beaten down to the point that they hate God, in prison, and are Satanists? Do you know how to deal with that not only as a pastor but from a parent's POV?
no most dont. that is why they are so quick to judge those who have. she is referring to my sons. and its very hard for me to not blame God for where they are at, but i do know its my fault for bringing them to church all their lives.
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