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[Dora]

Originally Posted by pentecostisalive

Wow. This is quite the list. There are many quality men making up the first general committee of the new fellowship.

Quality men behaving like two-year-olds!

Taking their marbles and stomping off in a HUFF!!!

Thoroughly DISGUSTED!!!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Dora

Quality men behaving like two-year-olds!

Taking their marbles and stomping off in a HUFF!!!

Thoroughly DISGUSTED!!!

Not necessarily so, maybe folks who do not like the way the UPC is going and believe they should separate from what they consider to be worldliness, modernism, compromise, lowering of standards, etc. Their motto might be "come out from among them and be ye separate." Some have been doing this by holding separate youth meetings, camp meetings, etc.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Dora

Quality men behaving like two-year-olds!

Taking their marbles and stomping off in a HUFF!!!

Thoroughly DISGUSTED!!!

Did you feel that way about the men who left over the affirmation statement passing in 92?

Why are you disgusted? These men are very conservative. They are the very conservative of an already very conservative religious sect.

They have been unhappy for years and have felt for years that the UPC was "going liberal". Since things like motions with music, video screens, and colored lights are all "liberal" to them they have had plenty to whine about.

Now that they have decided to do what they have been leading up to for years why characterize them the way ou did?

The libs had full right to leave in 92 over the AS and these preachers have a right to leave over the TV issue. Organizations like the UPC are tools of men used to further the gospel. There is nothing sacred about the UPC itself. Men are free to join another or start another org. when the one they are a part of no longer reflects their positions.

[retsambeW]

Originally Posted by CC1

Did you feel that way about the men who left over the affirmation statement passing in 92?

Why are you disgusted? These men are very conservative. They are the very conservative of an already very conservative religious sect.

They have been unhappy for years and have felt for years that the UPC was "going liberal". Since things like motions with music, video screens, and colored lights are all "liberal" to them they have had plenty to whine about.

Now that they have decided to do what they have been leading up to for years why characterize them the way ou did?

The libs had full right to leave in 92 over the AS and these preachers have a right to leave over the TV issue. Organizations like the UPC are tools of men used to further the gospel. There is nothing sacred about the UPC itself. Men are free to join another or start another org. when the one they are a part of no longer reflects their positions.

CC, that was brilliant. I appreciate your assesment of the matter.

BTW, I regret we missed each other a few weeks back. Jill and I and Joel had some excellent fellowship over an excellent meal.

[Dora]

Originally Posted by CC1

Did you feel that way about the men who left over the affirmation statement passing in 92?

Why are you disgusted? These men are very conservative. They are the very conservative of an already very conservative religious sect.

They have been unhappy for years and have felt for years that the UPC was "going liberal". Since things like motions with music, video screens, and colored lights are all "liberal" to them they have had plenty to whine about.

Now that they have decided to do what they have been leading up to for years why characterize them the way ou did?

The libs had full right to leave in 92 over the AS and these preachers have a right to leave over the TV issue. Organizations like the UPC are tools of men used to further the gospel. There is nothing sacred about the UPC itself. Men are free to join another or start another org. when the one they are a part of no longer reflects their positions.

Ok...The Affirmation Statement people...

I happen to think the Affirmation Statement was PUSHED by these ultracon wackos who would have stomped off with their marbles in '92 if they hadn't gotten their way at that time. The ministers who left for reasons of integrity were simply being HONEST, not wanting to lie or act dishonestly by signing their names to a statement that did not reflect their core values and beliefs. I still believe that forcing ministers to sign an Affirmation Statement is comparable to David's sin of counting the people. What a HUGE MESS.

So the Ultracons got their way and it seemed to placate them for a while. It puffed up their egos, so they went back to their districts and proceeded to backbite and snipe at their fellow UPC ministers from their ivory holiness towers for a few more years.

Now they have found an issue that was supposedly the LAST STRAW. But Res. 4 isn't really and truly THE ISSUE, is it? The issue is that they have been conspiring to do this for YEARS. Their behavior in this matter has been disingenuous and subversive.

If they don't appreciate the direction the UPCI is taking, that's fine. It's great that these guys are leaving to form their own org. But why not forthrightly state your reasons for leaving, state your intentions clearly, form your new org. and move on down the road. Instead they are fighting dirty...

Why not turn in your license immediately if you disagree so strongly with the UPCI's newly adopted amendment to the MANUEL??? Influencing fellow ministers to jump on board your sparkling new ship by offer positions or by using scare tactics or peer pressure...well, it just looks fishy. It looks like they are trying to do damage to the UPCI...

Is that a good thing???

[Thad]

Originally Posted by Dora

Ok...The Affirmation Statement people...

I happen to think the Affirmation Statement was PUSHED by these ultracon wackos who would have stomped off with their marbles in '92 if they hadn't gotten their way at that time. The ministers who left for reasons of integrity were simply being HONEST, not wanting to lie or act dishonestly by signing their names to a statement that did not reflect their core values and beliefs. I still believe that forcing ministers to sign an Affirmation Statement is comparable to David's sin of counting the people. What a HUGE MESS.

So the Ultracons got their way and it seemed to placate them for a while. It puffed up their egos, so they went back to their districts and proceeded to backbite and snipe at their fellow UPC ministers from their ivory holiness towers for a few more years.

Now they have found an issue that was supposedly the LAST STRAW. But Res. 4 isn't really and truly THE ISSUE, is it? The issue is that they have been conspiring to do this for YEARS. Their behavior in this matter has been disingenuous and subversive.

If they don't appreciate the direction the UPCI is taking, that's fine. It's great that these guys are leaving to form their own org. But why not forthrightly state your reasons for leaving, state your intentions clearly, form your new org. and move on down the road. Instead they are fighting dirty...

Why not turn in your license immediately if you disagree so strongly with the UPCI's newly adopted amendment to the MANUEL??? Influencing fellow ministers to jump on board your sparkling new ship by offer positions or by using scare tactics or peer pressure...well, it just looks fishy. It looks like they are trying to do damage to the UPCI...

Is that a good thing???

WOW!!! WOW!!! WOW!!!! NOw that was a mouth full!!!!
Tell us what you Really think Sister Dora!

This is just hilarious!

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by Dora

Ok...The Affirmation Statement people...

I happen to think the Affirmation Statement was PUSHED by these ultracon wackos who would have stomped off with their marbles in '92 if they hadn't gotten their way at that time. The ministers who left for reasons of integrity were simply being HONEST, not wanting to lie or act dishonestly by signing their names to a statement that did not reflect their core values and beliefs. I still believe that forcing ministers to sign an Affirmation Statement is comparable to David's sin of counting the people. What a HUGE MESS.

So the Ultracons got their way and it seemed to placate them for a while. It puffed up their egos, so they went back to their districts and proceeded to backbite and snipe at their fellow UPC ministers from their ivory holiness towers for a few more years.
Now they have found an issue that was supposedly the LAST STRAW. But Res. 4 isn't really and truly THE ISSUE, is it? The issue is that they have been conspiring to do this for YEARS. Their behavior in this matter has been disingenuous and subversive.

If they don't appreciate the direction the UPCI is taking, that's fine. It's great that these guys are leaving to form their own org. But why not forthrightly state your reasons for leaving, state your intentions clearly, form your new org. and move on down the road. Instead they are fighting dirty...

Why not turn in your license immediately if you disagree so strongly with the UPCI's newly adopted amendment to the MANUEL??? Influencing fellow ministers to jump on board your sparkling new ship by offer positions or by using scare tactics or peer pressure...well, it just looks fishy. It looks like they are trying to do damage to the UPCI...

Is that a good thing???

Are you a prophetess? Excellent assessment.

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Theophil

Are you a prophetess? Excellent assessment.

Prophetess Hammer!!! You have given her her new nickname on this forum!!!

[Theophil]

Originally Posted by Dora

Ok...The Affirmation Statement people...

I happen to think the Affirmation Statement was PUSHED by these ultracon wackos who would have stomped off with their marbles in '92 if they hadn't gotten their way at that time. The ministers who left for reasons of integrity were simply being HONEST, not wanting to lie or act dishonestly by signing their names to a statement that did not reflect their core values and beliefs. I still believe that forcing ministers to sign an Affirmation Statement is comparable to David's sin of counting the people. What a HUGE MESS.

So the Ultracons got their way and it seemed to placate them for a while. It puffed up their egos, so they went back to their districts and proceeded to backbite and snipe at their fellow UPC ministers from their ivory holiness towers for a few more years.
Now they have found an issue that was supposedly the LAST STRAW. But Res. 4 isn't really and truly THE ISSUE, is it? The issue is that they have been conspiring to do this for YEARS. Their behavior in this matter has been disingenuous and subversive.

If they don't appreciate the direction the UPCI is taking, that's fine. It's great that these guys are leaving to form their own org. But why not forthrightly state your reasons for leaving, state your intentions clearly, form your new org. and move on down the road. Instead they are fighting dirty...

Why not turn in your license immediately if you disagree so strongly with the UPCI's newly adopted amendment to the MANUEL??? Influencing fellow ministers to jump on board your sparkling new ship by offer positions or by using scare tactics or peer pressure...well, it just looks fishy. It looks like they are trying to do damage to the UPCI...

Is that a good thing???

bump for Dora

Pastor G, Are you seein' this? Holy Wow!