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[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I am sure once they meet and put their constitution together.

They will be out seeking other churches to follow them.

Will they be black balled by the UPCI?

Will they themselves not let WPF churches to invite UPCI ministers to speak at their churches?

Time will tell...

I will tell you that it is an absolute that they will NOT limit participation OR speakers to those within their fellowship. This point has been made VERY clear to me and a number of other men. In fact, I was present when LB expressed very clearly that whether it was Bible Quizzing OR one of their "meetings," membership in their Fellowship would absolutely have no bearing on their choices. He said that he believes the "dividing wall" that has been erected by so many oneness organizations ("if you don't belong to our group, you can't participate or speak") is one of the WORST things to happen to us as a movement.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

I will tell you that it is an absolute that they will NOT limit participation OR speakers to those within their fellowship. This point has been made VERY clear to me and a number of other men. In fact, I was present when LB expressed very clearly that whether it was Bible Quizzing OR one of their "meetings," membership in their Fellowship would absolutely have no bearing on their choices. He said that he believes the "dividing wall" that has been erected by so many oneness organizations ("if you don't belong to our group, you can't participate or speak") is one of the WORST things to happen to us as a movement.

This is funny. What would have been said if the NCO leaders were allowed to speak in UPC functions like GC before Tampa?

Don't get me wrong, I agree with what LB expressed to you but find it somewhat hypocritical of those in and those getting out of the UPC.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

This is funny. What would have been said if the NCO leaders were allowed to speak in UPC functions like GC before Tampa?

I venture to say nothing would have happened.

The NCO leaders would be considered moderates within the UPCI.

And in fact several within the NCO fellowship are STILL in UPCI. Since it is a true fellowship as opposed to alternate organization like is apparently being formed in Tulsa.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

I venture to say nothing would have happened.

The NCO leaders would be considered moderates within the UPCI.

And in fact several within the NCO fellowship are STILL in UPCI. Since it is a true fellowship as opposed to alternate organization like is apparently being formed in Tulsa.

moderate????? The folks I've talked to said that most of the people he saw in the NCO had on earrings, pants, cut hair, beards,etc.. hardly a UPC atmosphere Brother Griffin

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Thad

moderate????? The folks I've talked to said that most of the people he saw in the ECO had on earrings, pants, cut hair, beards,etc.. hardly a UPC atmosphere Brother griffin

Well, there's your problem you are looking at the ECO and we're talking about the NCO.

[Thad]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Well, there's your problem you are looking at the ECO and we're talking about the NCO.

JUst fixed it or you was suppose to fix it for me ---remember??

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Thad

moderate????? The folks I've talked to said that most of the people he saw in the NCO had on earrings, pants, cut hair, beards,etc.. hardly a UPC atmosphere Brother Griffin

Really??? My little rumor mongering friend?? Your statement goes from folks I "have talked to"," he saw"

Don't know, or care to know your source. Kenneth Phillips, Jonathan Suber, and Wendell Hutchins are the leaders. They would all qualify as moderates within the UPCI.

This are good men who have dedicated their lives to the gospel.

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Really??? My little rumor mongering friend?? Your statement goes from folks I "have talked to"," he saw"

Don't know, or care to know your source. Kenneth Phillips, Jonathan Suber, and Wendell Hutchins are the leaders. They would all qualify as moderates within the UPCI.

Be careful who you slander Mark, even in jest. This are good men who have dedicated their lives to the gospel.

With all due respect....I think he is talking specifically about the people in their church. The "label" that gets put on preachers is not only what they preach (of which I would agree with some of what you say about them being moderate) but what they allow (standards wise) in their church. Whether this is a fair characterization or not...it is what it is. I do not think Thad was talking about those 3 men in particular...and something tells me neither did you. If you are comparing the church as a whole (NCO vs. UPC) and compare the two on every account....you might get where Thad is coming from.

And, I don't see any slandering being made.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

With all due respect....I think he is talking specifically about the people in their church. The "label" that gets put on preachers is not only what they preach (of which I would agree with some of what you say about them being moderate) but what they allow (standards wise) in their church. Whether this is a fair characterization or not...it is what it is. I do not think Thad was talking about those 3 men in particular...and something tells me neither did you. If you are comparing the church as a whole (NCO vs. UPC) and compare the two on every account....you might get where Thad is coming from.

And, I don't see any slandering being made.

Likewise with all due respect,

The posts prior, including the exact one responded to by "THAD" referenced the leadership.

If you want to change the topic to the congregations, between the three leaders, at the moment (although soon to change) there are only two churches, CoC and Promiseland. Both of these congregations would also be considered moderate within the UPCI, for large churches with saints in various stages of maturity.

I seem to recall even the great apologist of the UPCI ,DB himself, having a letter reposted in this forum about charges he had "let standards go" perhaps it should be reread.

In every sense, these men would be considered moderates within the UPCI.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

I venture to say nothing would have happened.

The NCO leaders would be considered moderates within the UPCI.

And in fact several within the NCO fellowship are STILL in UPCI. Since it is a true fellowship as opposed to alternate organization like is apparently being formed in Tulsa.

My point was that I don't think they, NCO leadership, would have been or would be allowed to speak at a UPC function at a national level.

The post I was responding to was by KP who made it sound as if LB was being inclusive to the body of Christ who were not UPC but I don't think he meant the leaders of the NCO. If LB was truly being inclusive, he would not form another fellowship/organization. He was being inclusive to the body of Christ that agree with his standards for holiness.

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher
I will tell you that it is an absolute that they will NOT limit participation OR speakers to those within their fellowship. This point has been made VERY clear to me and a number of other men. In fact, I was present when LB expressed very clearly that whether it was Bible Quizzing OR one of their "meetings," membership in their Fellowship would absolutely have no bearing on their choices. He said that he believes the "dividing wall" that has been erected by so many oneness organizations ("if you don't belong to our group, you can't participate or speak") is one of the WORST things to happen to us as a movement.