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[CC1]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

My comments were not meant to be funny.

What happened between TL Craft and John Eckstadt was also not funny in 1975.

Ask yourself why did John Eckstadt leave Jackson after being there 10 months.

Take his family from Jackson, MS to be with Mark Hanby in Ft. Worth?

Was it fun to take a family of 6 and move again?

No..

I did not just meet TL Craft as a kid there is a real history that is factual....

As for my comments you can take any of the names on that list.

Do you think none of them want to be the next movement leader?

I guess ambition no longer drives the heart of any man.

I knew that your dad had issues with TLC and that was where your opinion of him was coming from but I did not want to bring that into the discussion.

I am not saying that no wrong was done from TLC toward your dad. There may have been. What I am saying is that even if that is so it does not validate your assessment of TLC. I have spent the last 30 years around him to varying degrees and you are just flat wrong. No opinon invovloed you are just wrong. TLC has faults and has done people wrong but at some point int time so has everybody I know including myself. We are all human and make mistakes.

You can dislike TLC for something that happened between he and your dad but don't use that to mischaracterize the man by saying things that you do not know.

Oh, and I knew your comments were not intendd to be "funny". That is why they made me angry. You are posting things but a kids perspective of something that happened decades ago.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by CC1

I knew that your dad had issues with TLC and that was where your opinion of him was coming from but I did not want to bring that into the discussion.

I am not saying that no wrong was done from TLC toward your dad. There may have been. What I am saying is that even if that is so it does not validate your assessment of TLC. I have spent the last 30 years around him to varying degrees and you are just flat wrong. No opinon invovloed you are just wrong. TLC has faults and has done people wrong but at some point int time so has everybody I know including myself. We are all human and make mistakes.

You can dislike TLC for something that happened between he and your dad but don't use that to mischaracterize the man by saying things that you do not know.

Oh, and I knew your comments were not intendd to be "funny". That is why they made me angry. You are posting things but a kids perspective of something that happened decades ago.

If not TLC then it will be someone else. My opinion of his wait and see. I think is valid.

His name has not been passed aroung just out the big blue sky..

I am not speaking of his being the their first GS.

I am speaking soley on his leaving.

My opinion on his seeking a higher position rests on the fact he no longer has his legacy (JCM).

The time for him to accept a higher position would be now.

Your assessment of his turning down other appointments may be true.

But at those times he had a higher committment.

Kenneth Haney did not turn down the GS appointment with all of this commitments.

TL Craft would most likely accept just as did KH.

I think he is in a wait and see until after the Tulsa meetings.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

If not TLC then it will be someone else. My opinion of his wait and see. I think is valid.

His name has not been passed aroung just out the big blue sky..

I am not speaking of his being the their first GS.

I am speaking soley on his leaving.

My opinion on his seeking a higher position rests on the fact he no longer has his legacy (JCM).

The time for him to accept a higher position would be now.

Your assessment of his turning down other appointments may be true.

But at those times he had a higher committment.

Kenneth Haney did not turn down the GS appointment with all of this commitments.

TL Craft would most likely accept just as did KH.

I think he is in a wait and see until after the Tulsa meetings.

I am not even saying he is not leaving the UPC. I would be surprised but anything is possible. I am just saying that if he does I do not think it is out of the motiviation you ascribe to him. I promise you that what motivates him is not fame or the spotlight. If he leaves it will be because of the influences on his life in these later years by ultra cons and from a heartfelt belief (no matter how misguided) that it is the right thing to do.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by CC1

I knew that your dad had issues with TLC and that was where your opinion of him was coming from but I did not want to bring that into the discussion.

I am not saying that no wrong was done from TLC toward your dad. There may have been. What I am saying is that even if that is so it does not validate your assessment of TLC. I have spent the last 30 years around him to varying degrees and you are just flat wrong. No opinon invovloed you are just wrong. TLC has faults and has done people wrong but at some point int time so has everybody I know including myself. We are all human and make mistakes.

You can dislike TLC for something that happened between he and your dad but don't use that to mischaracterize the man by saying things that you do not know.

Oh, and I knew your comments were not intendd to be "funny". That is why they made me angry. You are posting things but a kids perspective of something that happened decades ago.

I want to get away from any more TL Craft statements after this post.

I will accept one more rebutal from you.

My dad called TL Craft from his hospital room during the last 2 weeks of his life.

He asked Bro Craft to forgive him for his attitude towards the situations in Jackson.

He told Bro Craft that no matter the depth of the offense.

His salvation was more important.

I sat in the room that day as my dad was connected to a large Dialysis maching having his blood pass from his body through this machine.

My dad cried his heart out to Bro Craft.

I was 13 years old and cried as I saw my dad seek the mercy of God.

My dads salvation meant more to him than the offense of anyman.

My mom is 75 years old and she still has a clear recollection.

The recollections are not those of a kid.

You will not find anyone anywhere in my family as having mentioned the circumstances involving TLC and my dad.

You all out offended me with calling my recollections those of a kids perspective.

I have not been offended in years over anything.

This time I am very hurt..............

All I know is.... I sat as a 13 year old young man, not at the end of a little league bench as my dad sat in the bleachers watching me hit a pigskin ball.

I sat and watched a 43 year old man in his human frailty seek the mercy of God.

You tell me if that was a child sitting there!

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I want to get away from any more TL Craft statements after this post.

I will accept one more rebutal from you.

My dad called TL Craft from his hospital room during the last 2 weeks of his life.

He asked Bro Craft to forgive him for his attitude towards the situations in Jackson.

He told Bro Craft that no matter the depth of the offense.

His salvation was more important.

I sat in the room that day as my dad was connected to a large Dialysis maching having his blood pass from his body through this machine.

My dad cried his heart out to Bro Craft.

I was 13 years old and cried as I saw my dad seek the mercy of God.

My dads salvation meant more to him than the offense of anyman.

My mom is 75 years old and she still has a clear recollection.

The recollections are not those of a kid.

You will not find anyone anywhere in my family as having mentioned the circumstances involving TLC and my dad.

You all out offended me with calling my recollections those of a kids perspective.

I have not been offended in years over anything.

This time I am very hurt..............

All I know is.... I sat as a 13 year old young man, not at the end of a little league bench as my dad sat in the bleachers watching me hit a pigskin ball.

I sat and watched a 43 year old man in his human frailty seek the mercy of God.

You tell me if that was a child sitting there!

Nathan,

That is a poignant and touching story of a godly man crossing the western slope, and it brought tears to my eyes.

But the fact is, it doesn't validate your statements about TLC.

What it does is paint a picture of what a beautiful spirit your father obviously had.

But I still don't know what it has to do with your assessment of TLC.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Nathan,

That is a poignant and touching story of a godly man crossing the western slope, and it brought tears to my eyes.

But the fact is, it doesn't validate your statements about TLC.

What it does is paint a picture of what a beautiful spirit your father obviously had.

But I still don't know what it has to do with your assessment of TLC.

One thing I have learned in my short life is sometimes my perception of things can be decieving.... and sometimes it's a struggle to get over them...

I know nothing of the situation and don't want to know...but sometimes we can carry our perceptions into our adulthood... bringing no healing to our situations...

[Neck]

Originally Posted by revrandy

One thing I have learned in my short life is sometimes my perception of things can be decieving.... and sometimes it's a struggle to get over them...

I know nothing of the situation and don't want to know...but sometimes we can carry our perceptions into our adulthood... bringing no healing to our situations...

I have no ill feelings of any man.

Can't it just be that the experiences one has with a person is different than what others have experienced?

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by revrandy

One thing I have learned in my short life is sometimes my perception of things can be decieving.... and sometimes it's a struggle to get over them...

I know nothing of the situation and don't want to know...but sometimes we can carry our perceptions into our adulthood... bringing no healing to our situations...

Great post!

This happened to me. I was a witness to a tense situation involving a gun, and my memory of the event was skewed somewhat over the years. I kept my views to myself until one day I opened up and talked with my father about that eventful day when our family was held up against a wall staring down the barrel of a gun.

It turned out that my memories were indeed skewed, and things that I thought were said were said much differently. I had held this against my father for years, then suddenly his version made perfect sense. When I told him what I thought I heard, he laughed! He then immediately apologized for not talking about this with me years ago!

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Nathan,

That is a poignant and touching story of a godly man crossing the western slope, and it brought tears to my eyes.

But the fact is, it doesn't validate your statements about TLC.

What it does is paint a picture of what a beautiful spirit your father obviously had.

But I still don't know what it has to do with your assessment of TLC.

That I agree.

My assessment of TLC is my opinion agreed?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I want to get away from any more TL Craft statements after this post.

I will accept one more rebutal from you.

My dad called TL Craft from his hospital room during the last 2 weeks of his life.

He asked Bro Craft to forgive him for his attitude towards the situations in Jackson.

He told Bro Craft that no matter the depth of the offense.

His salvation was more important.

I sat in the room that day as my dad was connected to a large Dialysis maching having his blood pass from his body through this machine.

My dad cried his heart out to Bro Craft.

I was 13 years old and cried as I saw my dad seek the mercy of God.

My dads salvation meant more to him than the offense of anyman.

My mom is 75 years old and she still has a clear recollection.

The recollections are not those of a kid.

You will not find anyone anywhere in my family as having mentioned the circumstances involving TLC and my dad.

You all out offended me with calling my recollections those of a kids perspective.

I have not been offended in years over anything.

This time I am very hurt..............

All I know is.... I sat as a 13 year old young man, not at the end of a little league bench as my dad sat in the bleachers watching me hit a pigskin ball.

I sat and watched a 43 year old man in his human frailty seek the mercy of God.

You tell me if that was a child sitting there!

Your post here and the offense you took with mine is exactly why I did not want to bring your father and his situation at JAX into this.

Coonskinner is correct that your memories of your dad and his wonderful spirit at the end of his life are a wonderful testimony and as it still affects you today and shows the worth of a godly father imparting to a son through example.

CS is also correct that all of that has nothing to do with the statements you made about TLC.

I lost my father at the age of 13 suddenly in an accident and in 48 hours my life was devastated and I was living 4,000 miles away from the home I grew up in. I know the love and emotion involved in losing a good and godly father. Don't try to twist my issues with your erroneous chracterization of TLC into some kind of criticism or disrespect to your dad or your loss. That is wrong and I hope upon reflection you realize that. You had zero reason to take any offense at my post. You apprently read things into it that were not there.

My only point was that while TLC has faults and has done things I don't agree with (and heaven knows we don't agree on much when it comes to church!)but his faults are not the ones you ascribed to him and I don't think his worst enemies would agree with you.

It was just strange reading a man I have been around quite a bit off and on over thirty years described as something he is not by someone who only was around him for a very short time before they were grown.