Saved WithOut The Holy Ghost ?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Daniel, what are you even talking about? Stop the madness, please.
Your ranting (above) is irrelevant here.
Pay close attention, sir. The question was asked:

So..

Are you telling me that
1-- Bezalel being filled with the Spirit of God (Exodus 31:3)

2- Zechariah being filled with the Holy Ghost (Luke 1:67)

3- Elizabeth being filled with the Holy Ghost (Luke 1:21)

4- John being filled with the Holy Ghost in his mother's womb (Luke 1:15)

...are the same experience as the infilling of the Holy Ghost that happened to Christians in the church age beginning with Pentecost?

If they were the same, John wouldnt have said:

John 7:39(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive:for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Spiritually, experientially, and ontologically, they are very different entities, and served different purposes.

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Different entities ...??? Spiritually different???? Now there are 2 HOLY GHOSTS???

Stop the madness ... you use a verse that is not translated as you want to make it fit ... and I've gone mad??? Furthermore, when was Jesus glorified? Ascension or post resurrection? Did he not blow on them and tell his disciples receive ye the Holy Ghost post resurrection?

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Different entities ...??? Spiritually different???? Now there are 2 HOLY GHOSTS???

Stop the madness ... you use a verse that is not translated as you want to make it fit ... and I've gone mad??? Furthermore, when was Jesus glorified? Ascension or post resurrection? Did he not blow on them and tell his disciples receive ye the Holy Ghost post resurrection?

Jesus was glorified when he ascended into heaven to sit on the right hand of God. It was at this time that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to infill/indwell/baptize all believers, not post resurrection.

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.