The promise Joel speaks of is not a different experience, as alluded to by Peter in his
Acts 2 sermon, but that His Spirit would poured out ON ALL FLESH ....
Why because through faith on the Lord Jesus Christ he would immerse us ... all ... into his Church.
The Baptism of the Holy Ghost w/ the evidence of tongues is indeed a manifestation of an enduement of power/filling given to the Church to testify to the world ... but does not mean one has not be indwelt by the Spirit of God ... or that one is not born of the Spirit, at the point of faith .
As for those W & S adherents that misuse
John 7:9
I always had read this verse in Spanish ... which in the Reina Valera does not say the that the
Holy Ghost was not given ... but that the
Holy Ghost had not come ... changing the context of what is being expressed by Christ ...
After trying to find the word
given in the orginal Greek text ... I could not find it for
John 7:39
After futher research .... I found this:
The New John Gill Exposition of the Entire Bible
for the Holy Ghost was not yet [given];
the word "given" is not in the original text; but is very properly supplied, as it is in the Vulgate Latin, Syriac, and Persic versions. The Arabic version renders it, "for the Holy Ghost was not yet come";
he was; he was in being as a divine person, equal with the Father and Son, so he was from everlasting; and he had been bestowed in his grace upon the Old Testament saints, and rested in his gifts upon the prophets of that dispensation; but, as the Jews themselves confess
F6,
``after the death of the latter prophets, Haggai, Zachariah, and Malachi, the Holy Ghost removed from Israel.''
And they expressly say, be was not there in the time of the second temple. Maimonides says
F7,
``they made the Urim and Thummim in the second temple, to complete the eight garments (of the priests) though they did not inquire by them; and why did they not inquire by them? because the Holy Ghost was not there; and every priest that does not speak by the Holy Ghost, and the Shekinah, does not dwell upon him, they do not inquire by him.''
They observe
F8 there were five things in the first temple which were not in the second, and they are these,
``the ark with the mercy seat, and cherubim, the fire (from heaven), and the Shekinah, (vdwqh xwrw) , "and the Holy Ghost", and the Urim and Thummim.''
Now, though he had removed, he was to return again; but as yet the time was not come, at least for the more plentiful donation of him:
Others suggest another plausible interpretation .... of
John 7:9 ....
One should conside this text referring to Jesus' remarks to his disciples in
John 16:8.
8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.
Most people tend to view the gospels as a chronological account of what transpired written in real time, when in actuality the Gospels were written years later. The comment...the Holy Ghost had not been given was written as an after thought.
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