Are Apostolics Wise?

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by revrandy

The Bible is a sure enough example of grace and mercy seeing how many of the folks in it made mistakes...had problems...and faced trials..... Maybe we could take a lesson from it and offer to others the same Grace & Mercy that is extended to us....imo....

Yes, however nobody want to take responsibility. This is problematic. How are we as a movement ever going to gain wisdom when we won't acknowledge we need it?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by staysharp

Yes, however nobody want to take responsibility. This is problematic. How are we as a movement ever going to gain wisdom when we won't acknowledge we need it?

"Movements" are neither wise nor unwise; that is the province of individuals.

James said, "If any man lack wisdom, let him ask of God..."

Many years ago, an elder told me that I should pray every day for wisdom, understanding, and knowledge. I took his advice, and am still praying that prayer and ackowledging daily that need.

You can't charge a movement for the lack of wisdom displayed by individuals.

God doesn't judge movements;He judges men.

Movements don't pray and study;en pray and study.

Movements can't and don't acknowledge anything; men can and should.

Put the broadbrush down.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

"Movements" are neither wise nor unwise; that is the province of individuals.

James said, "If any man lack wisdom, let him ask of God..."

Many years ago, an elder told me that I should pray every day for wisdom, understanding, and knowledge. I took his advice, and am still praying that prayer and ackowledging daily that need.

You can't charge a movement for the lack of wisdom displayed by individuals.

God doesn't judge movements;He judges men.

Movements don't pray and study;en pray and study.

Movements can't and don't acknowledge anything; men can and should.

Put the broadbrush down.

I agree its a little broad; so you are saying as an organization we shouldn't demand a higher standard for our graduates? Headquarters shouldn't train, develop and teach the pastors?

The Southern Baptist movement has strict guidelines. Their schools are accountable. Churning out professional pastors. Their not perfect, but look at what they have accomplished?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by staysharp

I agree its a little broad; so you are saying as an organization we shouldn't demand a higher standard for our graduates? Headquarters shouldn't train, develop and teach the pastors?

The Southern Baptist movement has strict guidelines. Their schools are accountable. Churning out professional pastors. Their not perfect, but look at what they have accomplished?

You are comparing apples and pinto beans. We should indeed have better Bible Schools, and I am sure not against them. I have a close friend whom I have tremendous respect for as a man of God who is a dean at what I consider our best Bible School.

But the Baptists turn out professonal Baptist pastors. Professionalism is a good thing, but that in itself won't turn out an Apostolic preacher. There is a little more to it than what you can learn in a classroom.

You can't compare us to them, as we are in completely different realms. We are in the Kingdom of God; they aren't.

They can do what they do without God being anywhere in the picture; we can't.

Are there things we can learn from them? Sure. Jesus said the children of the world are wiser in some areas than the children of light.

But trying to replicate their stuff would be akin to david thinking he could out-cart the Philistines when it came to Ark moving.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

You are comparing apples and pinto beans. We should indeed have better Bible Schools, and I am sure not against them. I have a close friend whom I have tremendous respect for as a man of God who is a dean at what I consider our best Bible School.

But the Baptists turn out professonal Baptist pastors. Professionalism is a good thing, but that in itself won't turn out an Apostolic preacher. There is a little more to it than what you can learn in a classroom.

You can't compare us to them, as we are in completely different realms. We are in the Kingdom of God; they aren't.

They can do what they do without God being anywhere in the picture; we can't.

Are there things we can learn from them? Sure. Jesus said the children of the world are wiser in some areas than the children of light.

But trying to replicate their stuff would be akin to david thinking he could out-cart the Philistines when it came to Ark moving.

I can't believe I just read this.

Originally Posted by staysharp

I can't believe I just read this.

What part don't you agree with? You are still Apostolic aren't you? Perhaps you are more of universalist and believe doctrine does not matter?

I know I know... Pharisaical Self Righteous judges who don't believe that everyone who utters the name of Jesus are saved. Just overlook us in our ignorance oh wise one.

Surely, as a man who has the audacity to start a thread of this nature, you must be submitted to the Holy Ghost and ALL KNOWING and ALL WISE!

Please continue with your propositions and continue to wow us with the breadth and depth of your astounding wisdom!

I bow before you!

Again, you need to get your UCdar fixed. You are picking up all kinds of false signals with that faulty device you are using called by some a brain!

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by philjones

What part don't you agree with? You are still Apostolic aren't you? Perhaps you are more of universalist and believe doctrine does not matter?

I know I know... Pharisaical Self Righteous judges who don't believe that everyone who utters the name of Jesus are saved. Just overlook us in our ignorance oh wise one.

Surely, as a man who has the audacity to start a thread of this nature, you must be submitted to the Holy Ghost and ALL KNOWING and ALL WISE!

Please continue with your propositions and continue to wow us with the breadth and depth of your astounding wisdom!

I bow before you!

Again, you need to get your UCdar fixed. You are picking up all kinds of false signals with that faulty device you are using called by some a brain!

I have already stated I need more wisdom. I am not all wise. As a matter of fact, I was simply looking for a reasonable explanation as to why wisdom is not supernatural among us.

We seek for healing, we seek for prophecy, we seek for miracles, why don't we seek for wisdom?

Honestly, Dr. Phil, you've been to hell and back as we all have, give me an honest answer. Why don't we seek for wisdom from above as a sign of God's approval?

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by staysharp

I can't believe I just read this.

Sharpy, the belief that one must obey Acts 2:38 to enter the Kingdom is not a weird, fringe doctrine held by only a few rabid cons; that is mainstream Apostolic doctrine and this is an Apostolic forum. There are some PCI types that have a slightly different view, but you have no reason to act surprised on this forum that someone would not consider Southern Baptists to be saved and in the Kingdom.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Sharpy, the belief that one must obey Acts 2:38 to enter the Kingdom is not a weird, fringe doctrine held by only a few rabid cons; that is mainstream Apostolic doctrine and this is an Apostolic forum. There are some PCI types that have a slightly different view, but you have no reason to act surprised on this forum that someone would not consider Southern Baptists to be saved and in the Kingdom.

Coon, your post was filled with elitism. This is the problem. You guys don't even realize it. Why couldn't you say...yes, we have a lot to learn from the baptists. They have accomplished great things. Orphanages, schools, missionaries, doctors, etc.

Why attack them as not being in the kingdom? There is nothing wrong with being a professional pastor. It simply states you have taken your calling and profession seriously.

Again, skirt the issue, deny anybody else could be right.

Oh well, I guess I got my answer. We have no wisdom from above, because we do not seek it. It's just that simple.