Did everyone?

[stmatthew]

During Phillips revival meeting at Samaria, those present had repented of their sins, and Phillip had baptized them. But the bible states very plainly that they had not received the Holy Ghost.

Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they [their] hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

It was possibly days or even weeks (we do not know for sure how long) before Peter and John arrived and started a Holy Ghost rally.


The above is proof enough that the Holy Ghost is given in Gods time, and not mans. It simply states that it SHALL be given, but that does not mean it is automatic upon repentance and water baptism.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Adino

I would agree that everyone WILL receive. In fact, since I believe the man with faith has passed from death to life (John 3:15-16, 36; 5:24; 6:40,47; 11:25,26), I believe that man has received the "gift of the Holy Ghost" which is eternal life when he repents unto faith (i.e., repents unto life - Acts 11:18). The gift of God is eternal life (Romans 6:23). This was the "promise of the Holy Ghost" Christ received of the Father (Acts 2:33). This was the promise "made unto the fathers" (Acts 13:32-33) which is also to "you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call" (Acts 2:39).

Originally Posted by stmatthew

During Phillips revival meeting at Samaria, those present had repented of their sins, and Phillip had baptized them. But the bible states very plainly that they had not received the Holy Ghost.

Act 8:14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they [their] hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

It was possibly days or even weeks (we do not know for sure how long) before Peter and John arrived and started a Holy Ghost rally.


The above is proof enough that the Holy Ghost is given in Gods time, and not mans. It simply states that it SHALL be given, but that does not mean it is automatic upon repentance and water baptism.

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[Adino]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

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Your answer is in verse 16 which says the Spirit had not "fallen" upon them. The Spirit "fell" on these of Samaria in a non-saving way as it "fell" on prophets in the OT (Ezekiel 11:5). The Spirit "fell on," "came on," and "filled" people in the NT as it "fell on," "came on," and "filled" prophets in the OT. The leaders of Jerusalem had to come offer the right hand of fellowship with the half-breed Samarians because the full-blooded Jews would not have accepted them into the body had they not. The bestowal of Spiritual gifts to the saved believers of Samaria only stamped God's approval on them as well. Who then could argue that they were to be allowed into the fold? Much like Cornelius in Acts 10.

Luke was using terms connected to Spirit manifestation in the OT to follow the manifestations of the Spirit as the signs and wonders confirmed the word in the NT (Mark 16:20), very likely because he knew his audience would recognize them as such. He was following the expansion of the Church by pointing out the signs and wonders which expanded with it. These signs and wonders had nothing to do with salvation. They were only indicative of the growing Church of God.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Adino

Your answer is in verse 16 which says the Spirit had not "fallen" upon them. The Spirit "fell" on these of Samaria in a non-saving way as it "fell" on prophets in the OT (Ezekiel 11:5). The Spirit "fell on," "came on," and "filled" people in the NT as it "fell on," "came on," and "filled" prophets in the OT. The leaders of Jerusalem had to come offer the right hand of fellowship with the half-breed Samarians because the full-blooded Jews would not have accepted them into the body had they not. The bestowal of Spiritual gifts to the saved believers of Samaria only stamped God's approval on them as well. Who then could argue that they were to be allowed into the fold? Much like Cornelius in Acts 10.

Luke was using terms connected to Spirit manifestation in the OT to follow the manifestations of the Spirit as the signs and wonders confirmed the word in the NT (Mark 16:20), very likely because he knew his audience would recognize them as such. He was following the expansion of the Church by pointing out the signs and wonders which expanded with it. These signs and wonders had nothing to do with salvation. They were only indicative of the growing Church of God.

That is the biggest bunch of garbage I have seen in a while. Don't try confusing this issue by saying some mumbo jumbo about the Holy Ghost falling on them being OT. The Holy Ghost fell on the day of Pentecost. It was a New Birth experience.

The FACTS are as follows:

- Phillip preached on things that pertained to the Kingdom of God.
- He must have mentioned water baptism in Jesus name during his discourse
- The folks must have repented, and submitted to water baptism
- They had not received the Holy Ghost until Peter and John came


Now the facts are that they had NOT RECEIVED the Holy Ghost, though they had repented and been water baptized. Again, they had not received the Promise yet. This answers your initial question.

[Adino]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

That is the biggest bunch of garbage I have seen in a while. Don't try confusing this issue by saying some mumbo jumbo about the Holy Ghost falling on them being OT. The Holy Ghost fell on the day of Pentecost. It was a New Birth experience.

The FACTS are as follows:

- Phillip preached on things that pertained to the Kingdom of God.
- He must have mentioned water baptism in Jesus name during his discourse
- The folks must have repented, and submitted to water baptism
- They had not received the Holy Ghost until Peter and John came


Now the facts are that they had NOT RECEIVED the Holy Ghost, though they had repented and been water baptized. Again, they had not received the Promise yet. This answers your initial question.

Ignoring the language of Luke is your prerogative, Bro.. Evidence is strong that those of Samaria were not receiving the indwelling Spirit, but an impartation of some spiritual gift as the elders came to lay hands on them (1Timothy 4:14; Romans 1:11). It was this ability to impart which Simon wished to purchase from the elders. The man who RECEIVES the Spirit at faith subsequently RECEIVES blessings from that self-same Spirit as God sees fit.

Accept it or not, there are alternative plausible ways of interpreting the passages you have grown accustomed to viewing through a lens handed down to you from 20th preachers in early American pentecostalism.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Adino

Ignoring the language of Luke is your prerogative, Bro.. Evidence is strong that those of Samaria were not receiving the indwelling Spirit, but an impartation of some spiritual gift as the elders came to lay hands on them (1Timothy 4:14; Romans 1:11). It was this ability to impart which Simon wished to purchase from the elders. The man who RECEIVES the Spirit at faith subsequently RECEIVES blessings from that self-same Spirit as God sees fit.

Accept it or not, there are alternative plausible ways of interpreting the passages you have grown accustomed to viewing through a lens handed down to you from 20th preachers in early American pentecostalism.

It is not I that is ignoring what is plainly stated. You have read into this something that is not there. How many ways can one view it when it plainly states that the Holy Ghost had not fallen on them, but then goes on to clarify that after prayer the RECEIVED the Holy Ghost.

Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they [their] hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

I am sorry, but either they didn't have it, and received it, or they didn't have it, and received it.

[Adino]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

It is not I that is ignoring what is plainly stated. You have read into this something that is not there. How many ways can one view it when it plainly states that the Holy Ghost had not fallen on them, but then goes on to clarify that after prayer the RECEIVED the Holy Ghost.

Act 8:15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Act 8:16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Act 8:17 Then laid they [their] hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

I am sorry, but either they didn't have it, and received it, or they didn't have it, and received it.

What they did not have was whatever operation of the Spirit which takes place when the Spirit "falls". The Spirit fell, came, and filled men of the OT as well. These instances were not regenerative what makes you think they are here?

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

That is the biggest bunch of garbage I have seen in a while. Don't try confusing this issue by saying some mumbo jumbo about the Holy Ghost falling on them being OT. The Holy Ghost fell on the day of Pentecost. It was a New Birth experience.

The FACTS are as follows:

- Phillip preached on things that pertained to the Kingdom of God.
- He must have mentioned water baptism in Jesus name during his discourse
- The folks must have repented, and submitted to water baptism
- They had not received the Holy Ghost until Peter and John came


Now the facts are that they had NOT RECEIVED the Holy Ghost, though they had repented and been water baptized. Again, they had not received the Promise yet. This answers your initial question.

The word believe has different depth in meaning.Yes they believed and was not filled but other scripture teaches as many that believe is born of God.

1John.5
[1] Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.