I can tell you this -- not everyone on the General Council OR in the various committees/councils will be giving up their license in the UPCI. At least, not any time now. Take it for what it's worth, but I am absolutely certain about this.
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I can tell you this -- not everyone on the General Council OR in the various committees/councils will be giving up their license in the UPCI. At least, not any time now. Take it for what it's worth, but I am absolutely certain about this.
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I can tell you this -- not everyone on the General Council OR in the various committees/councils will be giving up their license in the UPCI. At least, not any time now. Take it for what it's worth, but I am absolutely certain about this.
It seems then if some will keep their UPC affiliation, then the move to WPF isn't a matter of principle. Could recognition play a roll for having their name shown up as council member. Either you leave completely because you say it is a matter of principle...but holding two affiliations begins to question motives.
I can tell you this -- not everyone on the General Council OR in the various committees/councils will be giving up their license in the UPCI. At least, not any time now. Take it for what it's worth, but I am absolutely certain about this.
Of course not...not NOW. There is a process that has to be carried out, and it can only be done in this order: If your church is affiliated, a sitting UPC pastor has to be the one to initiate the disaffiliation. A non-UPC pastor cannot pastor an affiliated church. So the only ones that are going to turn their cards in right away are the ones whose churches were never affiliated or at some point previously decided to disaffiliate. The bylaws require that the DS and presbyter be notified and be allowed to present the org's perspective at the duly called meeting. The church hears both arguments and then votes in or out. So to turn in their cards prematurely would be to automatically lose their pastorate. I know a guy who is one of the listed 50 elders who is presently disaffiliating his church and claims that he is going to keep his UPCI license. Not going to happen. As soon as the church completes the disaffiliation process, he will be turning in his card. I have NO doubt about that. Dual membership may be possible but for most it will not be practical. Whose going to be willing to pay dues to both organizations at the same time? No, they're going to see how things shake out, complete the disaffiliation process, and then turn in their cards or stop paying their dues or have a card-burning party!
Of course not...not NOW. There is a process that has to be carried out, and it can only be done in this order: If your church is affiliated, a sitting UPC pastor has to be the one to initiate the disaffiliation. A non-UPC pastor cannot pastor an affiliated church. So the only ones that are going to turn their cards in right away are the ones whose churches were never affiliated or at some point previously decided to disaffiliate. The bylaws require that the DS and presbyter be notified and be allowed to present the org's perspective at the duly called meeting. The church hears both arguments and then votes in or out. So to turn in their cards prematurely would be to automatically lose their pastorate. I know a guy who is one of the listed 50 elders who is presently disaffiliating his church and claims that he is going to keep his UPCI license. Not going to happen. As soon as the church completes the disaffiliation process, he will be turning in his card. I have NO doubt about that. Dual membership may be possible but for most it will not be practical. Whose going to be willing to pay dues to both organizations at the same time? No, they're going to see how things shake out, complete the disaffiliation process, and then turn in their cards or stop paying their dues or have a card-burning party!
I suspect that even for the churches that are not affilitated, some will have church bylaws that require the pastor to be UPCI. (I know of churches exactly like this). so the process will be a process.
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Of course not...not NOW. There is a process that has to be carried out, and it can only be done in this order: If your church is affiliated, a sitting UPC pastor has to be the one to initiate the disaffiliation. A non-UPC pastor cannot pastor an affiliated church. So the only ones that are going to turn their cards in right away are the ones whose churches were never affiliated or at some point previously decided to disaffiliate. The bylaws require that the DS and presbyter be notified and be allowed to present the org's perspective at the duly called meeting. The church hears both arguments and then votes in or out. So to turn in their cards prematurely would be to automatically lose their pastorate. I know a guy who is one of the listed 50 elders who is presently disaffiliating his church and claims that he is going to keep his UPCI license. Not going to happen. As soon as the church completes the disaffiliation process, he will be turning in his card. I have NO doubt about that. Dual membership may be possible but for most it will not be practical. Whose going to be willing to pay dues to both organizations at the same time? No, they're going to see how things shake out, complete the disaffiliation process, and then turn in their cards or stop paying their dues or have a card-burning party!
You are mistaken. I know men whose names appear on this list who pastor churches which have NEVER been affiliated, and they are STILL not giving up their UPC license. In fact, I spoke with one just the other day. He is serving in a District level position within the UPCI and has no plans to get out.
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You are mistaken. I know men whose names appear on this list who pastor churches which have NEVER been affiliated, and they are STILL not giving up their UPC license. In fact, I spoke with one just the other day. He is serving in a District level position within the UPCI and has no plans to get out.
Time will tell. I don't doubt your friend's intentions, but he will eventually be forced to pick one over the other. (Let me know as soon as it happens!) Whether he wants out or not, his affiliation with WPF will probably hurt his chances of re-election the next time his district-level position is voted on. if he hasn't surrendered his oopsee card by then, being voted out might hasten his departure.
The affiliation thing does not necessarily apply to churches that have NEVER been affiliated. I know we have several churches that have never been affiliated and that does not necessarily reflect that a minister is leaving...but the ones that are suddenly disaffiliatiing and their names are suddenly being added to the WPF roster....they will eventually end up in one or the other or neither, but not both. Again, this is a prediction...please update me when it proves correct.
Time will tell. I don't doubt your friend's intentions, but he will eventually be forced to pick one over the other. (Let me know as soon as it happens!) Whether he wants out or not, his affiliation with WPF will probably hurt his chances of re-election the next time his district-level position is voted on. if he hasn't surrendered his oopsee card by then, being voted out might hasten his departure.
The affiliation thing does not necessarily apply to churches that have NEVER been affiliated. I know we have several churches that have never been affiliated and that does not necessarily reflect that a minister is leaving...but the ones that are suddenly disaffiliatiing and their names are suddenly being added to the WPF roster....they will eventually end up in one or the other or neither, but not both. Again, this is a prediction...please update me when it proves correct.
I tend to agree with your prediction.
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