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Jekyll · #1 12-20-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Roc

I don't know you...I dont even know if you are a pastor...but I used your statement to highlight a prevalent mindset and was not directing my comment at you personally.

This "prevalent mindset" is established in Romans 13. Don't bend yourself over too backwards to pat Dora on the back because this is the WHOLE issue. She had a problem with me esentially telling her to knock it off, she doesn't want to be a part of Rom. 13:2 and since no one can "tell her what to do," she has fired off a series of nonsensical blatherings garnered to bring her sympathy.

rgcraig · #2 12-20-2007, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

This "prevalent mindset" is established in Romans 13. Don't bend yourself over too backwards to pat Dora on the back because this is the WHOLE issue. She had a problem with me esentially telling her to knock it off, she doesn't want to be a part of Rom. 13:2 and since no one can "tell her what to do," she has fired off a series of nonsensical blatherings garnered to bring her sympathy.

Jekyll, I'm having trouble understanding the difference (of attitude) in your post from Dora's at times. Seems it's okay for a guy to "fire off".

Jekyll · #3 12-20-2007, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Jekyll, I'm having trouble understanding the difference (of attitude) in your post from Dora's at times. Seems it's okay for a guy to "fire off".

How so? Please don't turn this into a gender issue. She fires off at the grace that God has extended toward a pastor, a man in authority. I had responded, and things have digressed from there. Have I fired off toward her? No, I responded to her. Have I been harsh? Absolutely.

Never once have I proactively sought out her posts to jump on or attack. A post in the VM Leaving thread started this and she revisited her attitude in the AS thread. I felt like I should respond.

J-Roc · #4 12-20-2007, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

How so? Please don't turn this into a gender issue. She fires off at the grace that God has extended toward a pastor, a man in authority. I had responded, and things have digressed from there. Have I fired off toward her? No, I responded to her. Have I been harsh? Absolutely.

Never once have I proactively sought out her posts to jump on or attack. A post in the VM Leaving thread started this and she revisited her attitude in the AS thread. I felt like I should respond.

Even if this was about pastoral authority...are you her pastor that she should submit to...

....See, I was absolutely right on when I said this has to do with authority and lording over people.

The things people do for power and recognition.

SDG · #5 12-21-2007, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

This "prevalent mindset" is established in Romans 13. Don't bend yourself over too backwards to pat Dora on the back because this is the WHOLE issue. She had a problem with me esentially telling her to knock it off, she doesn't want to be a part of Rom. 13:2 and since no one can "tell her what to do," she has fired off a series of nonsensical blatherings garnered to bring her sympathy.

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Jekyll, I'm having trouble understanding the difference (of attitude) in your post from Dora's at times. Seems it's okay for a guy to "fire off".

Seems like backslider RGCraig sensed Jekyll's condescending tone too.

Jekyll · #6 12-21-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

Jekyll, I'm having trouble understanding the difference (of attitude) in your post from Dora's at times. Seems it's okay for a guy to "fire off".

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Seems like backslider RGCraig sensed Jekyll's condescending tone too.

You said it, I didn't.

I percieved that RG thought that I was lumping everyone together. I am not lumping those hurt with those that are bitter. There is a distinction between being hurt and being bitter. Bitterness is a choice that our enemy encourages us to make thereby rotting our sanity. The enemy uses this choice to decieve people that their wounds are separating them from GOD.

Those who believe those lies allow bitterness to become a spiritual rabies that makes a person bite the heads off of anyone who tries to help. Bitterness only destroyes the host although it is very contagious across a carnal spectrum.

JESUS came to heal the sick and bind the wounds. There will be wounds. Bitterness, strife, and envy are works of the flesh and voluntary works at that. We are not bound to these works but can overcome them as GOD has empowered us to be victorious over our enemy.

Coonskinner · #7 12-21-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

You said it, I didn't.

I percieved that RG thought that I was lumping everyone together. I am not lumping those hurt with those that are bitter. There is a distinction between being hurt and being bitter. Bitterness is a choice that our enemy encourages us to make thereby rotting our sanity. The enemy uses this choice to decieve people that their wounds are separating them from GOD.

Those who believe those lies allow bitterness to become a spiritual rabies that makes a person bite the heads off of anyone who tries to help. Bitterness only destroyes the host although it is very contagious across a carnal spectrum.

JESUS came to heal the sick and bind the wounds. There will be wounds. Bitterness, strife, and envy are works of the flesh and voluntary works at that. We are not bound to these works but can overcome them as GOD has empowered us to be victorious over our enemy.

Excellent post.

All of us have been hurt; some of us got bitter.

revrandy · #8 12-21-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Excellent post.

All of us have been hurt; some of us got bitter.

I can say too that there are valid reasons for bitterness....just not a valid reason to stay that way...especially when forgiveness is given us by God...

Coonskinner · #9 12-21-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by revrandy

I can say too that there are valid reasons for bitterness....just not a valid reason to stay that way...especially when forgiveness is given us by God...

I disagree.

Valid reasons for being hurt, angry, wounded, etc.

But bitterness is hurt and anger that festers long enough to become bitterness.

And Paul's standard for forgiveness was "let not the sun go down upon your wrath."

You'll find Jesus holding it up there pretty high too, what with the 70 X 7 ratio, and that in one day.

NO excuse or valid reason for bitterness, ever. Deal with hurt and anger before it becomes bitterness.

J-Roc · #10 12-20-2007, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jekyll

This "prevalent mindset" is established in Romans 13. Don't bend yourself over too backwards to pat Dora on the back because this is the WHOLE issue. She had a problem with me esentially telling her to knock it off, she doesn't want to be a part of Rom. 13:2 and since no one can "tell her what to do," she has fired off a series of nonsensical blatherings garnered to bring her sympathy.

You have twisted the meaning of Romans 13:2. The context has to do with governing authority (in our case, The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA). What twisted thinking of those that attribute this chapter to pastoral authority...no wonder this mindset is so prevalent...thanks for making me aware where this distortion comes from.