Doctrinal Question - Someone Please Take a Shot at This.

[Encryptus]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Apostles had power to remit sins it was practiced by baptizing the penitent in Jesus Name that power is vested in the ministry today.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dan it pleased God to save men by preaching 1Cor. 1:21 does that make the preacher the Saviour? No it does not. Yet the preacher is instrumental. Thus the same is with remission of sins it takes place in baptism in Jesus Name and the preacher is instrumental does he the preacher himself remits sins? NO but but he again is instrumental. Look Jesus said it NOT me. Fuss with Him.

Interesting concept Steve. So ONLY ministers have the authority to baptize. And ONLY preachers are instrumental in the rite of baptism for the remission of sins (to you: in order to remit sins)??

Therefore protestant "preachers" fulfill the duties of catholic priests in salvation,( ie can't be saved without one). But of course unlike catholics, protestants can go straight to Jesus for subsequent sins. Or since the water remits sins do they have to be continually re-baptized in water? (In lieu of confession to priest)

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

Interesting concept Steve. So ONLY ministers have the authority to baptize. And ONLY preachers are instrumental in the rite of baptism for the remission of sins (to you: in order to remit sins)??

Therefore protestant "preachers" fulfill the duties of catholic priests in salvation,( ie can't be saved without one). But of course unlike catholics, protestants can go straight to Jesus for subsequent sins. Or since the water remits sins do they have to be continually re-baptized in water? (In lieu of confession to priest)

Well he did tell the preachers to baptize and all NT baptisms recorded was done by preachers? Can laymen baptize? I won't fuss with you but there is NO scriptural prescendent for it.

[Encryptus]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Well he did tell the preachers to baptize and all NT baptisms recorded was done by preachers? Can laymen baptize? I won't fuss with you but there is NO scriptural prescendent(sic) for it.

Glad you don't want to fuss :-)

It would be sad to base a theology by assuming the every act by every saint over the time period covered by Acts was therein recorded.

But you ignored part two of post:

Therefore protestant "preachers" fulfill the duties of catholic priests in salvation,( ie can't be saved without one). But of course unlike catholics, protestants can go straight to Jesus for subsequent sins. Or since the water remits sins do they have to be continually re-baptized in water? (In lieu of confession to priest)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Well he did tell the preachers to baptize and all NT baptisms recorded was done by preachers? Can laymen baptize? I won't fuss with you but there is NO scriptural prescendent for it.

SE please show me where ALL NT baptisms were done by "preachers"..then while at it, define preachers using scriptures....

Then define layman using scriptures....the problem is it's not there. There is no special class division in scriptures of preachers/laymen (have nots)

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

SE please show me where ALL NT baptisms were done by "preachers"..then while at it, define preachers using scriptures....

Then define layman using scriptures....the problem is it's not there. There is no special class division in scriptures of preachers/laymen (have nots)

Every place a baptism is recorded a preacher was involved in Acts.
The command to baptize was given to preachers. Mt. 28:19

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Every place a baptism is recorded a preacher was involved in Acts.
The command to baptize was given to preachers. Mt. 28:19

And they better be male or if not .... you just got wet and are lost as two boys kissing.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

And they better be male or if not .... you just got wet and are lost as two boys kissing.

I guess you have a passage where a woman baptized?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Every place a baptism is recorded a preacher was involved in Acts.

how do you know? YOu are just saying that. Was Stephan a preacher? Where is the word preacher used?

Where does the bible distinguish between preachers and laypersons?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

how do you know? YOu are just saying that. Was Stephan a preacher? Where is the word preacher used?

Where does the bible distinguish between preachers and laypersons?

Two questions have you read Acts 7? What is that if it is not a sermon?
But then that still doesn't help you NO ONE was baptized. Y'all guys are so easy.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Two questions have you read Acts 7? What is that if it is not a sermon?
But then that still doesn't help you NO ONE was baptized. Y'all guys are so easy.

It wasn't a sermon. A sermon is prepared and taught by a preacher behind a big sacred desk during predetermined service times in a large building often bearing stained glass windows. Of course, none of this is ever even mentioned in Scripture. What you see in Acts 7 was a powerful protest by Stephen toward his persecutors who were poised to prosecute and eventually kill him.

It has nothing in common with the modern "sermon" as we know it. I do perceive that we are a very religious people.