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12-21-2007, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
So God is not able to forgive/remit sin on behalf of the cross alone prior to baptism, but post baptism forgiveness occurs on behalf of the cross AND prior baptism?
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Does seem to be what SE is saying doesn't it??
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12-21-2007, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Encryptus
Does seem to be what SE is saying doesn't it??
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So what a prior work on the cross could not accomplish a prior work in water baptism could??? How bizarre!
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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12-21-2007, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
So what a prior work on the cross could not accomplish a prior work in water baptism could??? How bizarre!
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You guys don't have a clue. Christ's blood at Calvary forgave and remitted ALL mankind's sin without exception. However man must believe and obey the gospel to recieve forgiveness and remission of sins.
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12-21-2007, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
You guys don't have a clue. Christ's blood at Calvary forgave and remitted ALL mankind's sin without exception. However man must believe and obey the gospel to recieve forgiveness and remission of sins.
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SH, are the Elder's remarks NEW TO YOU ???? Were you clueless to this "revelation"???
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12-21-2007, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
SH, are the Elder's remarks NEW TO YOU ???? Were you clueless to this "revelation"???
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Dan our problem has NEVER been what Christ accomplished on the cross you and I both know this our difference is HOW we appropriate what was made available on the cross. The cross is the crux of salvation and redemption through the Holy Blood of Jesus. You guys build a strawman. Why not just really say what we believe?
I have said over and over "That remission of sins in this dispensation only takes place in water baptism in Jesus Name for the penitent."
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12-21-2007, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
SH, are the Elder's remarks NEW TO YOU ???? Were you clueless to this "revelation"???
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No not so new.... just not something my experience relates to.
I am shooting from a different perspective though.
I have a question for three steppers... When one sins and becomes repentant, post the three steps, on what grounds is he granted repentance?
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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12-21-2007, 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
No not so new.... just not something my experience relates to.
I am shooting from a different perspective though.
I have a question for three steppers... When one sins and becomes repentant post the three steps on what grounds is he granted repentance?
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WHO is a three-stepper?????????????????????
Dan & Fudge has you confused?????????????????????????
I have NEVER preached 3 steps another strawman. I don't know if I ever heard anyone preach 3 steps. And I only remember reading one tract that said that.
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12-21-2007, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
WHO is a three-stepper?????????????????????
Dan & Fudge has you confused?????????????????????????
I have NEVER preached 3 steps another strawman. I don't know if I ever heard anyone preach 3 steps. And I only remember reading one tract that said that.
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Rev Devito, I speak in common AFF language - accepted by liberals and conservatives alike.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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