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Originally Posted by pelathais
Your apparent refrence to Azusa Street as being a "street revival in San Francisco" sheds a lot of light on your understanding of your own heritage.
But no, I am speaking about the teachings of the founders of the PCI and the PAJC and PAW. Howard Goss, John Dearing, WT Witherspoon, A.D. Urshan, G.T. Haywood, S.G. Norris, and a host of others.
Why don't you follow their beiliefs? I'm just asking... I'm sure you've got good reasons for splintering away from the movement. But why?
To insist upon such a subjective standard as "by the Spirit" leads inevitably to chaos. What you have stated here is identical to the teachings of the Mormon church. Also, the Roman Catholic Church makes the same claim about itself. About the only group that doesn't make this same claim is when you hear a Baptist say they were "founded by John the Baptist and so they're older than the apostles!"
It's great to be truly led by the Spirit. But you have a paper trail that you can follow as well that will give you important insights into your own heritage.
I'm left with the impression that you and StMatthew are ashamed of your roots. You side step every mention of them and treat great men and women of God as if they were a hair lip cousin that you have to hide in the barn whenever company visits.
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Originally Posted by pelathais
I am surprised by your apparent assertion that I have been the cause for...
I have never made the statement that anyone is a "Papist or Mormon..." In fact, I don't believe that I have even used those words in a post until just now.
I did see others make that statement and moved on, not wanting to be involved in that kind of back and forth. Personally, I don't see the connection except in a overly broad application of the "baptismal regeneration" idea. From my experience, OP's of the "Water&Spirit" persuasion have so many different nuanced stands on the issue that it's difficult to lump them in with any other group.
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I bring your attention to post 220 of this thread. (first quote above)
I want this place to be a place where all of us PCI and PAJC can meet and discuss all issues. As a Water/Spirit proponent I am not intimidated at all by other beliefs and I think the same can be said for you as a PCI guy.
we ought to be able to talk and "sharpen our iron". In the past, I have spoken out when I felt the PCI view was being held down. In fact, Ive taken heat for doing so, and I have applied heat to admin over that very issue.
now however, it seems that in an effort to allow the debate some on your side (and you in the above post) have crossed a line. It needs to be uncrossed.
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