Romans 10:9

[Brother Price]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Your encounter w/ God ... is just that, Bill ... your encounter.

No one can take that away from you ... especially not opinions or clueless words.

Amen Brother! No man can change what the Lord has done in me.

BTW, U sang purty dis mornin!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Amen Brother! No man can change what the Lord has done in me.

BTW, U sang purty dis mornin!

Blessings to you Bro. William, in the confidence of the love of Christ, and the salvation of your father.

[Adino]

J-Roc, you've impressed me, Grasshopper.

[Brother Price]

Bless you CJ!

[OneAccord]

Yes, that is the starting point of our faith walk....seems too easy, doesn't it? Some folks say to themselves, "how could we think that the cross's blood is sufficient to wipe out our sins for those that believe and trust in the Lord."

I think J-Roc said it best right here in bold. Romans 10:9 IS the starting point and what Paul was saying is that the whole premise of salvation is based on that one word..."believe" Taken out of context, it would seem that Verse 9 is implying that belief and confession are the only requirements of salvation. But, within the context of Rom 19, we see all the elements of salvation, Calling on the Name of the Lord, (vs. 13), church attendance (vs 14),
obeying the Gospel (vs. 16), and so on. J-Roc is correct. Believing is the STARTING POINT of salvation. But salvation does not begin and end there. In fact, according to Jesus, salvation is a life long process that begins when we believe and follow NT teachings regarding the new birth, and ends when we "endure to the end". And no, salvation is not a long and arduous task, Its easy to be saved when we start out right- by confessing "...with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

Personally...

I believe that Romans 10:9 is as much Bible as is Acts 2:38. What do you think? Agree or disagree?

Absolutely, I agree.

[Adino]

Anyone, when the serpent was placed on the pole in the wilderness.... did the children of Israel need to be baptized and speak in tongues in order to be healed?

The answer to this is pertinent to John 3:14-18 and to the point of this thread.

For your convenience:

Numbers 21:8-9

And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. 9And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

John 3:14-18

And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Adino

J-Roc, you've impressed me, Grasshopper.

Coming from you, I am honored, Sensei.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by OneAccord

I think J-Roc said it best right here in bold. Romans 10:9 IS the starting point and what Paul was saying is that the whole premise of salvation is based on that one word..."believe" Taken out of context, it would seem that Verse 9 is implying that belief and confession are the only requirements of salvation. But, within the context of Rom 19, we see all the elements of salvation, Calling on the Name of the Lord, (vs. 13), church attendance (vs 14),
obeying the Gospel (vs. 16), and so on. J-Roc is correct. Believing is the STARTING POINT of salvation. But salvation does not begin and end there. In fact, according to Jesus, salvation is a life long process that begins when we believe and follow NT teachings regarding the new birth, and ends when we "endure to the end". And no, salvation is not a long and arduous task, Its easy to be saved when we start out right- by confessing "...with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."

Clearly ... there is a distinction to be made when discussing soteriology, the study of salvation ... which also covers the means by which salvation is effected or achieved, and its results or effects.

Christian theologians for the most part make distictions between initial salvation, progressive salvation and final salvation.

Initial salvation

Initial salvation refers to the event of a person's conversion. If you repent of your sin and turn in faith to Christ as Lord and Savior, your sins are immediately forgiven, your fight of faith has begun, and your future in Christ is secured forever. "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:13) "He saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life." (Titus 3:3-7)
See also: Irresistible grace, Regeneration, Justification, Prevenient grace, Union with Christ, and Adoption [edit]

Progressive salvation

Progressive salvation refers to the journey of a believer between conversion and death. It is the only path that leads to eternal life (Romans 6:20-23), and is walked by faith alone, in the power of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8, Galatians 3:2-5). It contains bumps and struggles and setbacks, but is marked by growth in love for others and for God. It involves a fight of faith, a striving for peace and holiness (Hebrews 12:14, 1 John 1:9), and a constant approach of the throne of grace (Hebrews 4:16). "[O]ur Lord Jesus Christ... will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord." (1 Corinthians 1:7-9)
See also: Sanctification, Assurance of salvation, Means of grace, Gifts of the Spirit, and Perseverance of the saints

Final salvation

Final salvation refers to the event of God saving his people at the final judgment, the great divide between sheep and goats, wherein sheep are identified by their work of faith and labor of love and steadfastness of hope in the Lord Jesus Christ, and accepted on the ground of their union with Christ, the righteous substitute.

See also: Final judgment, Justification

http://www.theopedia.com/Salvation


Surely ... we must examine context to understand the 138 verses in Scripture dealing w/ salvation. The New Testament contains 138 verses that, in English translation, use the words "salvation" (45), "save" (41) or "saved" (52). Interpretation of them varies.

[OneAccord]

1 step, 3 step, four.

I don't know what I am. I know this... based on my understanding of the Word, I was "saved' when my sins were forgiven at repentance. Had I died then and there, I'd be with the Lord. Now. I don't know nothin' about soteriology. I have been sober for years.

That being said... the work of salvation began in my life the moment He forgave me of my sins. I continued (and still do) in salvation by obeying what I understand to be the Gospel. I was baptized according to Acts 2: 38, and was filled with the Holy Ghost. And. to this day, I try to live my life pleasing unto Him.

1 step or 6. I don't know. I just try to follow in my Fathers footsteps. Besides, trying to decide where to put all this Tabernacle furniture around is getting tedious. There is something greater than this "Beyond the Veil".