Where are all the Acts 2:38 folks (3-steppers)??

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Try that same verse in The Amplified, and you will see the meaning of baptism:

And baptism, which is a figure [of their deliverance], does now also save you [from inward questionings and fears], not by the removing of outward body filth [bathing], but by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience (inward cleanness and peace) before God [because you are demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. {1 Peter 3:21}

Baptism is a sign of covenant. It is a testimony of who and whose you are. It is a sign of what has already happened, and what you believe to be your's through the sacrificial death of Jesus Christ.

Price,

I guess you guys know better than the Word of God. The Word says that baptism saves you and you are now saying that it is a sign of what has already happened. You guys a very brave to add to the word like that.

There is more to living for God than obeying Acts 2:38 but that is still the ONLY way to get saved. Once you are saved there are "works of righteousness" that you will automatically become part of your life as you mature, but that is not what saves you. You are saved because you repented of your sin, was baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost. That is what the Bible says. The Word also said, "Let God be true and EVERY MAN a....." You know what it is. If you are not preaching full obedience to Acts 2:38 then guess what the Word of God has a word to describe you.

I may upset some admin with my post but I have had enough of this junk that has been let slip into AFF. Is this an apostolic forum or not? I love truth and will stand for it until the day I die. I don't care what it cost me.

[KwaiQ]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

Price,

I guess you guys know better than the Word of God. The Word says that baptism saves you and you are now saying that it is a sign of what has already happened. You guys a very brave to add to the word like that.

There is more to living for God than obeying Acts 2:38 but that is still the ONLY way to get saved. Once you are saved there are "works of righteousness" that you will automatically become part of your life as you mature, but that is not what saves you. You are saved because you repented of your sin, was baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost. That is what the Bible says. The Word also said, "Let God be true and EVERY MAN a....." You know what it is. If you are not preaching full obedience to Acts 2:38 then guess what the Word of God has a word to describe you.

I may upset some admin with my post but I have had enough of this junk that has been let slip into AFF. Is this an apostolic forum or not? I love truth and will stand for it until the day I die. I don't care what it cost me.

Amen Brother Miller... good to see you BTW...

Ryan G.

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by KwaiQ

Amen Brother Miller... good to see you BTW...

Ryan G.

Hey man it is good to see you. Where ya been hidding?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

Price,

I guess you guys know better than the Word of God. The Word says that baptism saves you and you are now saying that it is a sign of what has already happened. You guys a very brave to add to the word like that.
...

The might be said of you, Joseph. 1 Peter 3:21, not says "baptism saves you" but it tells us how baptism saves us. Brother Price actually did an excellent job pointing that out.

"... not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ ..." NIV

What Peter is emphasizing here is that you are saved by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. To ignore that is to once again remove the cross from Christianity.

Peter rather emphatically rebukes your insistence on emphasizing the physical aspect of going through the waters of baptism with his statement, "not the removal of dirt from the body..."

Without the work that Jesus Christ has already done for you, and your faith expressed in that work, baptism is just a bath. That's what the Apostles preached.

I don't think you truly intended to take the cross out, but by hammering away at the "3 Stepper" possition without ever allowing for the "One Stepper" point of view, you end up leaving the cross out of the Gospel. We need the truth in balance.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The might be said of you, Joseph. 1 Peter 3:21, not says "baptism saves you" but it tells us how baptism saves us. Brother Price actually did an excellent job pointing that out.

"... not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ ..." NIV

What Peter is emphasizing here is that you are saved by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. To ignore that is to once again remove the cross from Christianity.

Peter rather emphatically rebukes your insistence on emphasizing the physical aspect of going through the waters of baptism with his statement, "not the removal of dirt from the body..."

Without the work that Jesus Christ has already done for you, and your faith expressed in that work, baptism is just a bath. That's what the Apostles preached.

I don't think you truly intended to take the cross out, but by hammering away at the "3 Stepper" possition without ever allowing for the "One Stepper" point of view, you end up leaving the cross out of the Gospel. We need the truth in balance.

Exactly Pelathais!!!
You have more patience than I do for it seems that their ears are "dull" and will not hear what the Spirit is saying to the Church. But I admire your persistance. The tragedy is that there is "another gospel" being preached that has strayed from that of the apostles but some are too blind [or deceived?] to see it. Remember, it is those who don't receive the love of the truth that will believe a lie. [Contrary to those who persist in saying a love for the truth.] II Thess. 2:10-12
Raven

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Raven

Exactly Pelathais!!!
You have more patience than I do for it seems that their ears are "dull" and will not hear what the Spirit is saying to the Church. But I admire your persistance. The tragedy is that there is "another gospel" being preached that has strayed from that of the apostles but some are too blind [or deceived?] to see it. Remember, it is those who don't receive the love of the truth that will believe a lie. [Contrary to those who persist in saying a love for the truth.] II Thess. 2:10-12
Raven

It seems that I got the bread crumbs from you just before you posted... we both went to 2 Thessalonians chapter 2!

[Joseph Miller]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The might be said of you, Joseph. 1 Peter 3:21, not says "baptism saves you" but it tells us how baptism saves us. Brother Price actually did an excellent job pointing that out.

"... not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ ..." NIV

What Peter is emphasizing here is that you are saved by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. To ignore that is to once again remove the cross from Christianity.

Peter rather emphatically rebukes your insistence on emphasizing the physical aspect of going through the waters of baptism with his statement, "not the removal of dirt from the body..."

Without the work that Jesus Christ has already done for you, and your faith expressed in that work, baptism is just a bath. That's what the Apostles preached.

I don't think you truly intended to take the cross out, but by hammering away at the "3 Stepper" possition without ever allowing for the "One Stepper" point of view, you end up leaving the cross out of the Gospel. We need the truth in balance.

I have not left the cross out. It was on the cross that he died for us. It was on the cross where he purchased our salvation.

It is on the Day of Pentecost that we see the plan of Salvation revealed. If some one is going to be saved they are going to repent, get baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost.

Peter says that baptism saves. There are things that happen in the spirit when we are baptized, but you MUST do the physical act for those things to happen.

To the 1 stepper baptism is just a religious traditon and how we do things, but in the Word of God it was a matter of salvation. Come on guys line up with the Bible again if your etenity is important to ya.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

I have not left the cross out. It was on the cross that he died for us. It was on the cross where he purchased our salvation.

It is on the Day of Pentecost that we see the plan of Salvation revealed. If some one is going to be saved they are going to repent, get baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost.

Peter says that baptism saves. There are things that happen in the spirit when we are baptized, but you MUST do the physical act for those things to happen.

To the 1 stepper baptism is just a religious traditon and how we do things, but in the Word of God it was a matter of salvation. Come on guys line up with the Bible again if your etenity is important to ya.

How does "baptism save us?" Is the water magical? Does the preacher's incantation dispell the hordes of demons trying to drag that soul into hades?

What is it about baptism that saves us? I thought that Peter spelled it right out in 1 Peter 3:21, but you didn't agree. So what does baptism do that "saves" us?

[Thad]

Originally Posted by pelathais

How does "baptism save us?" Is the water magical? Does the preacher's incantation dispell the hordes of demons trying to drag that soul into hades?

What is it about baptism that saves us? I thought that Peter spelled it right out in 1 Peter 3:21, but you didn't agree. So what does baptism do that "saves" us?

who said water was magical?? never heard anyone say water saved us

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Thad

who said water was magical?? never heard anyone say water saved us

NEITHER has anyone else. Just a Baptist strawman. Water did NOT heal Naaman but his healing took place in the water. Water did not make the blind man see but when he washed with water he recieved his sight. Water can never become wine but it was water that did become wine. God put water in the plan NOT man. To despise water is to despise God who put water in the plan. Surely NOT a laver of water?????????????????? What was God thinking??
Pour water on the altar???????????????? Put the baby Moses in water????
The Spirit of God moved on the face of the deep(WATER)??????
Kill the sacrifce over water????????? Wash the sacrifice with water?????
Wash the priest with water????????????? Out of His side water????????
The angel went into the pool of water????????????????
Remember God anything to do with water is works!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!