Romans 10:9

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

I hadn't even repented and you say I was justified? Is there an element of forgiveness in being justified?


I was a sinner. I sinned before I prayed and I sinned after I prayed. I didn't repent until about 5-6 months later. But I know that God heard my prayer because He answered it.

I don't know, Prax, if I understand what you are saying.

We are justified by faith, not by repentance. We are regarded to be just persons, by our faith through Christs own Righteousness in the eyes of God.

We are righteous...but not because our works are righteous or perfect but because Christ's righteousness is imputed to us, not imparted to us

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

We are justified by faith, not by repentance. We are regarded to be just persons, by our faith through Christs own Righteousness in the eyes of God.

We are righteous...but not because our works are righteous or perfect but because Christ's righteousness is imputed to us, not imparted to us

Prax,

This is what you said:

God justifies us by our faith. A person that is justified can then enter into relation with God, otherwise God does not hear him.

I'm saying God heard me when I prayed to Him asking Him to have mercy on me but I did not repent at that I time. I made absolutely no promises to obey Him, I only asked for his mercy to let me live and not die. But He HEARD me. He answered my prayer. The thing that had been bothering me left me....I no longer felt a premonition of impending doom like my time on this earth was coming to an end. I did not feel righteous nor did I feel like I was in a right relationship with God. I didn't even know if the gospel of Jesus Christ was true. I prayed to God, whoever God may have been, not to Jesus. Why would God impute righteousness to me when I didn't even confess Christ?

Later, months later, I read the gospels and believed them and repented.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Prax,

This is what you said:

I'm saying God heard me when I prayed to Him asking Him to have mercy on me but I did not repent at that I time. I made absolutely no promises to obey Him, I only asked for his mercy to let me live and not die. But He HEARD me. He answered my prayer. The thing that had been bothering me left me....I no longer felt a premonition of impending doom like my time on this earth was coming to an end. I did not feel righteous nor did I feel like I was in a right relationship with God. I didn't even know if the gospel of Jesus Christ was true. I prayed to God, whoever God may have been, not to Jesus. Why would God impute righteousness to me when I didn't even confess Christ?

Later, months later, I read the gospels and believed them and repented.

I know that was what you were saying. You had faith. God heard you because of you faith. Your faith is what justifies you, not your good works.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I know that was what you were saying. You had faith. God heard you because of you faith. Your faith is what justifies you, not your good works.

But I didn't have faith in Christ!!!!!!


I only had faith that I was talking to God.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

But I didn't have faith in Christ!!!!!!


I only had faith that I was talking to God.

Did Abraham have faith in Christ or in God?

Mar 11:21 And Peter remembered and said to him, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree that you cursed has withered."
Mar 11:22 And Jesus answered them, "Have faith in God.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Did Abraham have faith in Christ or in God?

Mar 11:21 And Peter remembered and said to him, "Rabbi, look! The fig tree that you cursed has withered."
Mar 11:22 And Jesus answered them, "Have faith in God.

How are we imputed Christ's righteousness if we don't even confess Him? How can we be justified by faith, the faith that is in Christ?

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Rom 3:22

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

How are we imputed Christ's righteousness if we don't even confess Him? How can we be justified by faith, the faith that is in Christ?

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Rom 3:22

Did Abraham confess Christ?

How did God impute righteousness to David?
Rom 4:6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:

Rom 4:19 And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body already dead (being about a hundred years old) or the deadening of Sarah's womb.
Rom 4:20 He did not stagger at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strong in faith, giving glory to God,
Rom 4:21 and being fully persuaded that what God had promised, He was also able to perform.
Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for him alone that it was imputed to him,
Rom 4:24 but for us also to whom it is to be imputed, to the ones believing on Him who has raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Rom 4:25 who was delivered because of our offenses and was raised for our justification.

Jas 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was imputed to him for righteousness, and he was called the friend of God."
Jas 2:24 You see then how a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
Jas 2:25 And in the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she had received the messengers and had sent them out another way?
Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.