Major Split in the MS District UPC?

[SavedLou]

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

Well if you can't tell me what I have to do to be saved you are not much of an evangelist. I asked you- what does being holy mean?

Can you give me a list?

It doesn't seem you sincerely desire to know what it means to be saved or holy...you're interested in ruffling feathers. We all have different opinions on what it means to be holy...there is no "list". respect that and stop

[gulfcoastbrother]

I hate to break it to you fellas, but holiness does not refer to your man made standards.

Originally Posted by gulfcoastbrother

I hate to break it to you fellas, but holiness does not refer to your man made standards.

Exactly. Does Evangelist Miller have his own that he likes to preach?
Do we have to follow his standards of holiness?

You are not saved based upon how holy you are. You are not saved based upon cut or uncut hair, how long your sleeves are, how long your dress is, how much you speak in tongues, etc, etc.

Jesus Christ died once for the forgiveness of sins. Not only was Jesus our Lamb of God, He was also our Priest.

Jesus is our holiness.

[rrford]

Uhm, actually you are saved somewhat by how holy you are.

Originally Posted by rrford

Uhm, actually you are saved somewhat by how holy you are.

Ok please explain RR since the evangelist is taking a bow out of this one...

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Walkbyfaith7

Ok please explain RR since the evangelist is taking a bow out of this one...

Without holiness we will not see God. We do not impart holiniess to ourselves. When we are saved it is imparted to us. It is incumbent upon us to maintain the spirit and attitude and lifestyle of holiness.

There is a difference between thinking holiness is a bargaining tool to gain salvation and holiness through sanctification being needed to remain saved, IMO.

[Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by rrford

Without holiness we will not see God. We do not impart holiniess to ourselves. When we are saved it is imparted to us. It is incumbent upon us to maintain the spirit and attitude and lifestyle of holiness.

There is a difference between thinking holiness is a bargaining tool to gain salvation and holiness through sanctification being needed to remain saved, IMO.

Man, RR, you know how to make a monkey think dontya! I will chew on this for awhile!!! I miss your posts...

Originally Posted by rrford

When we are saved it is imparted to us. It is incumbent upon us to maintain the spirit and attitude and lifestyle of holiness.

So we have to maintain our holiness to make heaven our home?
Thanks for sharing.

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by rrford

Without holiness we will not see God. We do not impart holiniess to ourselves. When we are saved it is imparted to us. It is incumbent upon us to maintain the spirit and attitude and lifestyle of holiness.

There is a difference between thinking holiness is a bargaining tool to gain salvation and holiness through sanctification being needed to remain saved, IMO.

GREAT to see you back, rrford!

Great post, too, by the way!

[Raven]

Originally Posted by rrford

Without holiness we will not see God. We do not impart holiniess to ourselves. When we are saved it is imparted to us. It is incumbent upon us to maintain the spirit and attitude and lifestyle of holiness.

There is a difference between thinking holiness is a bargaining tool to gain salvation and holiness through sanctification being needed to remain saved, IMO.

The most common scripture of all to be half quoted. Hebrews 12:14 "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord."
The sentence structure is obvious in that peace is the primary subject and holiness the secondary. Therefore my question to you scholars: If you don't follow peace with all men will you see the Lord?
Respectfully
Raven