Sister, did you come to these understandings by studying out the scriptures or did you study the scriptures with the help of books that were written by Trinitarians, and Ex-One God people?
No, studying these issues with the help of books isn't always helpful. I tried similar to that way back when I looked into the women's hair teachings. I found that to be frustrating as I'd read UPC lit and would feel they made points and then read other lit and they made points. It wasn't until I pushed that all away and studied the Bible itself (with the help of a concordance and Vine's) that I came to the conclusion that the Bible did not teach what the UPC taught on that issue. And I didn't go into it with trying to prove it wrong, either- I wanted to know the truth of the matter. It was the same with the other issues.
So as to tongues and water baptism, no, I did not use these type books in coming to my conclusions.
No, studying these issues with the help of books isn't always helpful. I tried similar to that way back when I looked into the women's hair teachings. I found that to be frustrating as I'd read UPC lit and would feel they made points and then read other lit and they made points. It wasn't until I pushed that all away and studied the Bible itself (with the help of a concordance and Vine's) that I came to the conclusion that the Bible did not teach what the UPC taught on that issue. And I didn't go into it with trying to prove it wrong, either- I wanted to know the truth of the matter. It was the same with the other issues.
So as to tongues and water baptism, no, I did not use these type books in coming to my conclusions.
Sister, are you still in study and willing to learn more? Also if you were to discover that you had been incorrect in what you had found, would you be willing to make the proper changes?
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
"The man who wanders out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead." Proverbs 21:16
You know, Elder Epley, it is attitudes like some of your posts such as the above that will keep many people from ever even desiring to return. It boggles my mind how I have heard several reports of how you are in person (all of them good) and yet on these boards you have falsely accused me of things and seem to even enjoy posting bits that hint of my alleged eternal damnation.
I have never caused any problems for this board or FCF. I have never treated you on these boards disrespectfully.
You ought to be ashamed, but it is obvious you are not. If this is how you reach out to those you feel are lost, heaven help them all. You hurt your testimony with posts such as these.
You know, Elder Epley, it is attitudes like some of your posts such as the above that will keep many people from ever even desiring to return. It boggles my mind how I have heard several reports of how you are in person (all of them good) and yet on these boards you have falsely accused me of things and seem to even enjoy posting bits that hint of my alleged eternal damnation.
I have never caused any problems for this board or FCF. I have never treated you on these boards disrespectfully.
You ought to be ashamed, but it is obvious you are not. If this is how you reach out to those you feel are lost, heaven help them all. You hurt your testimony with posts such as these.
I will stand up and say "AMEN" to this preaching here. It's like aiming an arrow at a target and hitting the bullseye!
Sister, are you still in study and willing to learn more? Also if you were to discover that you had been incorrect in what you had found, would you be willing to make the proper changes?
My answer to both is "absolutely." I yet study and hopefully will never want to come to a place where I stop or think I know it all.
My answer to both is "absolutely." I yet study and hopefully will never want to come to a place where I stop or think I know it all.
Sister that's the answer I'm looking for. I have seen people who get offended and see standards as just un-biblical, but when we look at the word with history backing it up we find that Jesus loved the separation of dress, but hated the hypocrisy of inward falseness.
We also find that throughout history water baptisms in many religions was required of initiation, and that Christendom for hundreds of years baptism was a must and during the 3rd to 7th centuries water baptism was administered in the name of Jesus Christ and it was also customary that the baptizer spoke the name over his convert.
In our church family we believe that we are to listen to everyone and read everything but believe absolutely nothing unless we can prove it with our own research.
The Pharisee religion that is Rabbinical Judaism survived past 70 AD, because of it's separation of lifestyle, dress, and community. If you study throughout history you will find that the holiness movements were the stronger groups because of their devotion. The difference between the Rabbinical, early holiness movements and what you have experienced, is that the teachers are to challenge you to ask questions. People are to be taught, not to be told.
When people are taught out of Sunday School Quarterlies and not compelled to ask questions and dig it out for themselves. They never get the information deep down. I'm not talking about having people memorize doctrine like Jehovah Witnesses, but having the people dig it out and then teach it back to the teachers.
Study it out Sister and we will see where you are at in 10 more years. I hope you see what I see.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Sister that's the answer I'm looking for. I have seen people who get offended and see standards as just un-biblical, but when we look at the word with history backing it up we find that Jesus loved the separation of dress, but hated the hypocrisy of inward falseness.
We also find that throughout history water baptisms in many religions was required of initiation, and that Christendom for hundreds of years baptism was a must and during the 3rd to 7th centuries water baptism was administered in the name of Jesus Christ and it was also customary that the baptizer spoke the name over his convert.
In our church family we believe that we are to listen to everyone and read everything but believe absolutely nothing unless we can prove it with our own research.
The Pharisee religion that is Rabbinical Judaism survived past 70 AD, because of it's separation of lifestyle, dress, and community. If you study throughout history you will find that the holiness movements were the stronger groups because of their devotion. The difference between the Rabbinical, early holiness movements and what you have experienced, is that the teachers are to challenge you to ask questions. People are to be taught, not to be told.
When people are taught out of Sunday School Quarterlies and not compelled to ask questions and dig it out for themselves. They never get the information deep down. I'm not talking about having people memorize doctrine like Jehovah Witnesses, but having the people dig it out and then teach it back to the teachers.
Study it out Sister and we will see where you are at in 10 more years. I hope you see what I see.
Just going to take the bolded part above to comment on.
I have to wonder how you get that idea when the only people separated by their dress (as well as known for such) were the Pharisees and not Jesus and His disciples?
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
Sister, are you still in study and willing to learn more? Also if you were to discover that you had been incorrect in what you had found, would you be willing to make the proper changes?
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