Christianity Without the Cross, By Thomas A. Fudge

[ChurchMouse]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Stick with THE BOOK and you will find water baptism with the name being spoken JESUS! Over you for salvation.
Holy Ghost infilling with the initial signs of speaking in tongues, and outer and inner separation from carnal ungodliness.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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I read my Bible daily, nothing wrong with learning more history.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by ChurchMouse

I read my Bible daily, nothing wrong with learning more history.

Please don't take offense, just be careful what you call history.

You have to keep in mind that these men that Fudge wrote about were Trinitarians who came into information that was always there. It wasn't a New Light, because the light was always on. These men saw water baptism in the name of Jesus only, and then they studied the Godhead and found out that God in three persons was a doctrine that had evolved through the ages and that it was incorrect. As these men came together to study the word there were some who were on learning curves and others who had found what they were looking for and moved no further.

Some didn't want to leave fellowships and others wanted to return and justified those notions.

I applaud your study of history, but please make sure you study out all the information you can get your hands on.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

www.IfAmericansKnew.com

[ChurchMouse]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Please don't take offense, just be careful what you call history.

You have to keep in mind that these men that Fudge wrote about were Trinitarians who came into information that was always there. It wasn't a New Light, because the light was always on. These men saw water baptism in the name of Jesus only, and then they studied the Godhead and found out that God in three persons was a doctrine that had evolved through the ages and that it was incorrect. As these men came together to study the word there were some who were on learning curves and others who had found what they were looking for and moved no further.

Some didn't want to leave fellowships and others wanted to return and justified those notions.

I applaud your study of history, but please make sure you study out all the information you can get your hands on.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

www.IfAmericansKnew.com

No offense taken, and yes we do have to be very careful what we read. That's why I was trying to get info about the book before I spent money on it. Couldn't figure out from what I had read wheather or not if it was putting down oneness or what.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by ChurchMouse

No offense taken, and yes we do have to be very careful what we read. That's why I was trying to get info about the book before I spent money on it. Couldn't figure out from what I had read wheather or not if it was putting down oneness or what.

As you first start to read the book you will see that Fudge is trying to be fair and studious, but you will notice as you read further that his attitude changes. This change comes when Brother Hall at Hazelwood refuses to allow Fudge to use the archives. You can pick up Fudge's offence as you continue to examine his perception on what he is reporting on in his book.

This book should is only a start in a search that opens up how people go forward with new information they find, and others want to go backward with new information they find.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

www.IfAmericansKnew.com

[tv1a]

Blame could go both ways since Hall is one of the architects of the revisionist upci history. Hall has to protect his legacy.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

As you first start to read the book you will see that Fudge is trying to be fair and studious, but you will notice as you read further that his attitude changes. This change comes when Brother Hall at Hazelwood refuses to allow Fudge to use the archives. You can pick up Fudge's offence as you continue to examine his perception on what he is reporting on in his book.

This book should is only a start in a search that opens up how people go forward with new information they find, and others want to go backward with new information they find.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

www.IfAmericansKnew.com

[Steve Epley]

I think the book is a must for every Pentecostal preacher it is a biased book but what book isn't biased. He has an agenda it is very clear. So read it with that in mind. I have bought better than 25 of them and given them away to preacher friends. Remember history is only as acurate as the historian writing it. But he does give part of the merger history than is overlooked by many.

[ChurchMouse]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I think the book is a must for every Pentecostal preacher it is a biased book but what book isn't biased. He has an agenda it is very clear. So read it with that in mind. I have bought better than 25 of them and given them away to preacher friends. Remember history is only as acurate as the historian writing it. But he does give part of the merger history than is overlooked by many.

Thank You Bro. Steve, I will keep that in mind as I read it.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

As you first start to read the book you will see that Fudge is trying to be fair and studious, but you will notice as you read further that his attitude changes. This change comes when Brother Hall at Hazelwood refuses to allow Fudge to use the archives. You can pick up Fudge's offence as you continue to examine his perception on what he is reporting on in his book.

This book should is only a start in a search that opens up how people go forward with new information they find, and others want to go backward with new information they find.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

www.IfAmericansKnew.com

Why don't you look at the why he was kept from the archieves?

Thomas Fudge quoted men in the book who were living and were part of the merger.

Many of which lived to see the book published, they did not refute the quotes attributed to them in the book.

I even can support as John Eckstadt's son that comments attributed to my dad are accurate.... Pages 283 and 292.

First I think you should read the book without looking for an attitude from the author....

N Eckstadt