Lets Get Ready to RuMbLE!! HANEY Vs. URSHAN!!!

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Originally Posted by revrandy

Dan..

I guess pastoring one of the largest churches for 25+ in the UPC is not good enough for you....

this is a comment from the Nose bleed section..

He is indeed a great pastor ... he is sorely missed and needed at CLC ... as I understand it ...

As for exerting influence in the org ... you tell me ... if he does???

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

He is indeed a great pastor ... he is sorely missed and needed at CLC ... as I understand it ...

As for exerting influence in the org ... you tell me ... if he does???

Dan..

There have been some major changes at the helm of the UPC... a lot of folks like Bro. Haney and a lot dislike him. You would have to understand his personality to know him....

Most of the likes and dislikes have to idealology tho vs. personality... Television adverstisement being the heavy hitter...

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Originally Posted by revrandy

Dan..

There have been some major changes at the helm of the UPC... a lot of folks like Bro. Haney and a lot dislike him. You would have to understand his personality to know him....

Most of the likes and dislikes have to idealology tho vs. personality... Television adverstisement being the heavy hitter...

I respect your opinions ... I think any changes were a natural progression in search of relevancy ... I have other thoughts about how much influence within the org he actually possesses.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I respect your opinions ... I think any changes were a natural progression in search of relevancy ... I have other thoughts about how much influence within the org he actually possesses.

I think that influence takes time.... as was stated the next year or two will be his defining moments... one thing to note... I do NOT think he wants to be the Superintendant that divides us on Television.....Who would????

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Originally Posted by revrandy

I think that influence takes time.... as was stated the next year or two will be his defining moments... one thing to note... I do NOT think he wants to be the Superintendant that divides us on Television.....Who would????

He should've defined the agenda ... on TV years ago ... great leader take the flak and lead. They don't leave it to chance and surveys. He had his chance to lead in this debate and has been very quiet.

If their is a split one might attribute it to passivity.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

He should've defined the agenda ... on TV years ago ... great leader take the flak and lead. They don't leave it to chance and surveys. He had his chance to lead in this debate and has been very quiet.

If their is a split one might attribute it to passivity.

Nope.... not passivity...but contention and polarization...try juggling those balls...

[vrblackwell]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

He should've defined the agenda ... on TV years ago ... great leader take the flak and lead. They don't leave it to chance and surveys. He had his chance to lead in this debate and has been very quiet.

If their is a split one might attribute it to passivity.

There will be no split. A splinter maybe, but not a split.

Both of these men are great men of God who deserve our respect. They however, are two different men, with two different personalities and no doubt different ideas and visions.

I think it is silly to compare their successes and failures. Times were a lot different when Bro. Urshan served then they are now. And I doubt that Bro. Haney will serve the length of time that Bro. Urshan served.

However, in future years I am confident that I will be able to look back and honor and respect both men for their great contributions to the kingdom of God. I will choose to respect them for their successes, as opposed to criticizing them for any failure as I would want the same mercy and kindness shown to me.

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Originally Posted by vrblackwell

There will be no split. A splinter maybe, but not a split.

Both of these men are great men of God who deserve our respect. They however, are two different men, with two different personalities and no doubt different ideas and visions.

I think it is silly to compare their successes and failures. Times were a lot different when Bro. Urshan served then they are now. And I doubt that Bro. Haney will serve the length of time that Bro. Urshan served.

However, in future years I am confident that I will be able to look back and honor and respect both men for their great contributions to the kingdom of God. I will choose to respect them for their successes, as opposed to criticizing them for any failure as I would want the same mercy and kindness shown to me.

Excellent points, VB! There are some things about the organization I don't like, but I sure have always liked these two men!

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Originally Posted by vrblackwell

There will be no split. A splinter maybe, but not a split.

Both of these men are great men of God who deserve our respect. They however, are two different men, with two different personalities and no doubt different ideas and visions.

I think it is silly to compare their successes and failures. Times were a lot different when Bro. Urshan served then they are now. And I doubt that Bro. Haney will serve the length of time that Bro. Urshan served.

However, in future years I am confident that I will be able to look back and honor and respect both men for their great contributions to the kingdom of God. I will choose to respect them for their successes, as opposed to criticizing them for any failure as I would want the same mercy and kindness shown to me.

Great Post my sentiments exactly!

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

He is indeed a great pastor ... he is sorely missed and needed at CLC ... as I understand it ...

As for exerting influence in the org ... you tell me ... if he does???

The next year or two will be his defining moments of time.