District Puts WPF on Notice

[StillStanding]

Of couse, I must side with CC1!

Mrs. Pianoman and I decided to visit the Tennessee District Campmeeting a couple of years ago when it was in Nashville. We picked a certain night that fit into our schedule. As luck would have it, Mrs. Pianoman was the only woman that I noticed that had short cut hair. (To her shoulders) There were probably others there with cut hair, but they had it fixed up in a Pentecostal style.

Well....sure enough, the night speaker got off on women cutting their hair! Mrs. Pianoman felt like the whole church was staring at her!

At a camp meeting, isn't this like preaching to the choir? Of course, he had everyone on their feet rejoicing which was probably his intent!

[Pragmatist]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Of couse, I must side with CC1!

Mrs. Pianoman and I decided to visit the Tennessee District Campmeeting a couple of years ago when it was in Nashville. We picked a certain night that fit into our schedule. As luck would have it, Mrs. Pianoman was the only woman that I noticed that had short cut hair. (To her shoulders) There were probably others there with cut hair, but they had it fixed up in a Pentecostal style.

Well....sure enough, the night speaker got off on women cutting their hair! Mrs. Pianoman felt like the whole church was staring at her!

At a camp meeting, isn't this like preaching to the choir? Of course, he had everyone on their feet rejoicing which was probably his intent!

Well, I did include camp meetings. I have no idea why speakers feel the need to pontificate on standards at such gatherings. Maybe, because it's the only chance they get these days.

[tv1a]

I'm still in the upci, and my district is considered liberal. CC1 you are dead on. There are elements of clothelines in every conference.

Originally Posted by CC1

Stephen,

When you have as many relatives and friends still UPC as I do you are not "gone".

When you hear in person or CD, or DVD, or webcast the many sermons I hear each year you are not "gone".

I do believe there are more churches that don't hear the clothesline from the pulpit every sermon as much as you used to now but please note what I said was that even when the clothesline is not preached it is alluded to usually in just about every sermon.

Have you not listened to sermons from all of the major confernces the last few years? I believe you will have a hard time finding one that does not at some point veer off into standards / seperation at some point.

I am not saying every UPC preacher is in the pulpit pounding it and screaming about women with pants on going to hell. Perhaps that is what you think I am thinking.

I will tell you that what I have not personally been exposed to is this supposedly growing segment of UPC churches and pastors where the legalism is not emphasized to the point that many church members do not adhere to them and they are reservd for those who wish to actively participate in platform ministrry, teaching, etc. In other words churches wtih 1st class and 2nd class saints. LOL!!! I guess that is at least a step in the right direction.

I think you guys hear the standards / seperation so much in sermons that you don't realize how much it is there as you just filter it out and remember the other aspects of the sermons. I bet if you go back and listen to sermons from major UPC conferences over the last few years you will be hard pressed to find one that does not incorporate the "hold the fort" message in it.

There is even an entire "Hold The Fort" conference hosted by my friend Pastor Mooney.

[Brother Price]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Of couse, I must side with CC1!

Mrs. Pianoman and I decided to visit the Tennessee District Campmeeting a couple of years ago when it was in Nashville. We picked a certain night that fit into our schedule. As luck would have it, Mrs. Pianoman was the only woman that I noticed that had short cut hair. (To her shoulders) There were probably others there with cut hair, but they had it fixed up in a Pentecostal style.

Well....sure enough, the night speaker got off on women cutting their hair! Mrs. Pianoman felt like the whole church was staring at her!

At a camp meeting, isn't this like preaching to the choir? Of course, he had everyone on their feet rejoicing which was probably his intent!

This is so sad to hear.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
{Romans 8:1}

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by CC1

Felicity,

Thank you. It doesn't bother me when Newbies like Scotty get their...er....undies all twisted up at my posts but it is a whole other story when it is a long time fellow poster who has been around a long time, long enough to have seen the totality of my posting.

I know some things I post upset traditional old time Pentecostals greatly but I have tried to be emphatic without impuning people. Apparently that is impossible as some people take general observations very personally when they are not intended that way.

Understood.

I've always found you to be appreciative of your roots, true to your convictions .... an intelligent, fair poster .... and have never found you to be mean-spirited.

I wish you the best with your Admin duties. May God grant you much wisdom and patience. and hopefully you can maintain your sense of humour. It would be a terrible shame to see that lost.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

And this post should sum it up..........I've read thru the entire thread, and I've been in places where CC1's perception has been reality, and I've been in places where it was far from the true situation. I absolutely do NOT agree with CC's assertion that it's nearly 100% of UPC pastors who harp on standards, sorry CC. However, I do agree that it happens more than it should.

And, I totally understand Scotty's point, and I believe that Scotty has said numerous times that God deals with each person individually, and he respects that, and I respect Scotty for feeling that way.

Bottom line - not all liberals are liberated, and not all conservatives are bound. Many people follow standards because they truly beleive them, and many people have left "standards" because God has truly liberated them.

In the mix, you have conservatives who are conservative but don't know why, and you have liberals who are bitter at the UPC.

Bottom line folks, PO said it, we must all respect each other and pray for each other, and stop with the broad brushing!

This is not a bottom line. People have left "standards" because God has truly liberated them??? This reveals your tilted slant in a post masquerading as balanced. And you call for a stop to the broad brushing - hogwash.

This place sure has gotten smug in the past month or so. Better watch out, it might become the bitter exUPC version of GNC where the UPC is hypocritical if they do and hypocritical if they don't, and where anything more conserviative is, well, unspeakable heresy from the hot place. Whose backs are you going to get tired of slapping then?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

This is not a bottom line. People have left "standards" because God has truly liberated them??? This reveals your tilted slant in a post masquerading as balanced. And you call for a stop to the broad brushing - hogwash.

This place sure has gotten smug in the past month or so. Better watch out, it might become the bitter exUPC version of GNC where the UPC is hypocritical if they do and hypocritical if they don't, and where anything more conserviative is, well, unspeakable heresy from the hot place. Whose backs are you going to get tired of slapping then?

It stings doesn't it?

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

It stings doesn't it?

This is laughable. What stings? I hope you aren't giving this site more credence than it deserves.

This makes me laugh. Really

[tv1a]

Perfect example of the persecution complex.

What I took from Phelps' quote was the standards people left were man-made standards. Jekyll turns the phrase around to suggest people are against personal convictions. Personal issues are not the issue. The corporate mentality is still predominately dress codes and hair. Again has anyone other than myself attempted to explain what apostolic identity is referred to in this opening post?

Rod Parsley has a better grasp of Apostolic identity than 98% of the upci churches.

Originally Posted by Jekyll

This is not a bottom line. People have left "standards" because God has truly liberated them??? This reveals your tilted slant in a post masquerading as balanced. And you call for a stop to the broad brushing - hogwash.

This place sure has gotten smug in the past month or so. Better watch out, it might become the bitter exUPC version of GNC where the UPC is hypocritical if they do and hypocritical if they don't, and where anything more conserviative is, well, unspeakable heresy from the hot place. Whose backs are you going to get tired of slapping then?

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Perfect example of the persecution complex.

What I took from Phelps' quote was the standards people left were man-made standards. Jekyll turns the phrase around to suggest people are against personal convictions. Personal issues are not the issue. The corporate mentality is still predominately dress codes and hair. Again has anyone other than myself attempted to explain what apostolic identity is referred to in this opening post?

Rod Parsley has a better grasp of Apostolic identity than 98% of the upci churches.

Who's being persecuted? Who said anything about personal convictions?

TV, your efforts to destroy conservative beliefs are nothing new, you have a daily diatribe decrying the very essence of standards that are believed by a church yet you become holier than thou when people don't buy your circular argument. You are as transparent as glass to those who have credibility and ethics. No matter how you spin it you are against any kind of boundary preached over a pulpit. In fact, you display a persecution complex very well. You try to minimize standards as a way of dress or state of uncut hair. If you think this is all that a standard intails, you are quite ignorant. But I don't think you believe that. It's just easier to discount convictions here. Of course, it's easy to preach to the choir in the middle of the mob.

I don't expect you to change what you believe, just don't expose the two sides of your mouth so blatantly, it ruins your credibility.