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[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by tv1a

I'm all for Biblical boundaries. The idea that the corporate apostolic identity is wrapped around unbiblical standards should be cause for alarm.

If one wants to talk about circular argument, why not discuss how internet is okay, yet television is the tool of Satan. Legalism if full of circular logic. I give too much credit to legalism by using the word logic in the same sentence.

I have no problem with conservatism because I understand conservatism. I get along great with conservatives, liberals and moderates, oh my. (tribute to wizard of oz). Legalism however is destructive and has no place in the Body of Christ. Legalism is a cancer that obviously when left unchecked ends up as bad as witchcraft (Galatians 3:1). The body of Christ should treat legalism the same way it treats a group of wiccans.

Again I invite you to do some research. My core beleifs are out there. I'll make the same challenge to you as I did to Phil Jones and others, find one flaw in those principles. So far just like the self righteouss individuals who wanted to stone the woman caught in adultery, every one of them had to drops their rocks and go back into their little caves.

Phenomenal Post! Right on target.

And for the record, let me state this upfront: I neither LOVE nor HATE UPC. I've been in it 10 years, and love some things about it, and hate other things. I have no generational loyalty or ANY loyalty for that matter to the "organization"... I am quite indifferent to it, actually. But I do love the APOSTOLIC message and Jesus Christ. And I do love my pastor, who is NOT a clothesline preacher.

I have been to several women's conferences, some of which were very POWERFUL. However, I have to admit, I walked out on Ruth Reider's Holiness Session at one conference, it was so sickening. (And yes, there always was at least one session at each conference telling us womenfolk how to dress if we are to be approved by "The Church" (UPC in their book) and to be approved by the other saints.) And yes, they covered the uncut hair doctrine and the no-pants-on-women thing. And yes, you are not fully approved nor accepted if you don't agree with their standards.

NOW... several posts back (I can't remember the poster), someone stated they were tired of being constantly criticized because they still ADHERED to the standards. Well I have to say, in my 10 years of UPC, I have been CONSTANTLY looked down on by many in the UPC because I did not "fall in" and obey "The Standards" ... so all I can say is, I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL, Buddy. Not so fun when the shoe is on the other foot, is it?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

I have been to several women's conferences, some of which were very POWERFUL. However, I have to admit, I walked out on Ruth Reider's Holiness Session at one conference, it was so sickening. (And yes, there always was at least one session at each conference telling us womenfolk how to dress if we are to be approved by "The Church" (UPC in their book) and to be approved by the other saints.) And yes, they covered the uncut hair doctrine and the no-pants-on-women thing. And yes, you are not fully approved nor accepted if you don't agree with their standards.

NOW... several posts back (I can't remember the poster), someone stated they were tired of being constantly criticized because they still ADHERED to the standards. Well I have to say, in my 10 years of UPC, I have been CONSTANTLY looked down on by many in the UPC because I did not "fall in" and obey "The Standards" ... so all I can say is, I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL, Buddy. Not so fun when the shoe is on the other foot, is it?

But you just said that your preacher was not a clothesline preacher so why are you looked down on?...the conferences? then don't go. Simple answer huh. Is there not a church that has everything the UPC has without the standards? If so why would any of you bother with UPC? What is it about UPC that keeps them coming despite hating the standards?

[Jermyn Davidson]

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&pictureid=236

I must have laughed for about 5 mins straight on this picture.

I can answer the above question: I learned how to pray at the most legalistic UPCI church I have ever attended! I learned how to pray, experienced God in such a powerful way, used of God there like no where else before or since, to date-- all while going to a church where the Pastor from the pulpit spoke specifically against men wearing facial hair. He told them to find another church to attend if they wanted to keep their mustache. This was done while a man who had been a backslider had returned to Christ, though he was never a member of this church. He and his wife never came back while I was stationed there. When I left that duty station, I was glad to leave that church.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by 1399

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&pictureid=236

I must have laughed for about 5 mins straight on this picture.

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Stupid isn't it ?

You can't stop watching it..

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by scotty

But you just said that your preacher was not a clothesline preacher so why are you looked down on?...the conferences? then don't go. Simple answer huh. Is there not a church that has everything the UPC has without the standards? If so why would any of you bother with UPC? What is it about UPC that keeps them coming despite hating the standards?

My pastor is NOT a clothesline preacher. Neither does my pastor nor my first lady look down on me. The "looking down" comes from SOME (not all... not even most... just some) in the church that take it upon themselves to judge people.

As I said, there are some things I love about UPC, other things I hate. The things I LOVE are of GOD. The things I hate are of man. I have enough goose sense to separate the two.

Obviously, there is more that I love about my church than hate, else'n I'd take your advice and just get out (and why do I get the impression that is what you would like me to do???) I'm sure if I had started out at one of the more conservative UPC churches, I WOULD HAVE "gotten out" a long time ago!!

You do seem to be very touchy on the subject of standards. I have a question for you. Can you accept me if I don't adhere to your holiness standards?

Here's my thing. I promise not to make fun of the way you dress if you promise not to make fun of the way I dress. 'K?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

Here's my thing. I promise not to make fun of the way you dress if you promise not to make fun of the way I dress. 'K?

If only it were that simple...............................

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

My pastor is NOT a clothesline preacher. Neither does my pastor nor my first lady look down on me. The "looking down" comes from SOME (not all... not even most... just some) in the church that take it upon themselves to judge people.

As I said, there are some things I love about UPC, other things I hate. The things I LOVE are of GOD. The things I hate are of man. I have enough goose sense to separate the two.

Obviously, there is more that I love about my church than hate, else'n I'd take your advice and just get out (and why do I get the impression that is what you would like me to do???)

Not at all sister, not at all

I'm sure if I had started out at one of the more conservative UPC churches, I WOULD HAVE "gotten out" a long time ago!!

You do seem to be very touchy on the subject of standards. I have a question for you. Can you accept me if I don't adhere to your holiness standards?

Yes ma'am I can

Here's my thing. I promise not to make fun of the way you dress if you promise not to make fun of the way I dress. 'K?

Not touchy on the subject itself , just touchy about people who judge it,

Your last line sums up the way I feel.

Like I have said, My pastor teaches that how you live for God is between you and God. Our job is to get people in the church, God will do the rest.

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by scotty

Not touchy on the subject itself , just touchy about people who judge it,

Your last line sums up the way I feel.

Like I have said, My pastor teaches that how you live for God is between you and God. Our job is to get people in the church, God will do the rest.

Praise God! I do believe we can work together for the good!! And I appreciate your dialogue with me!

[tv1a]

Just don't get all touchy when God does something different than you expected. God isn't going to put everyone in long sleeves long skirts, and long hair.

Originally Posted by scotty

Not touchy on the subject itself , just touchy about people who judge it,

Your last line sums up the way I feel.

Like I have said, My pastor teaches that how you live for God is between you and God. Our job is to get people in the church, God will do the rest.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Just don't get all touchy when God does something different than you expected. God isn't going to put everyone in long sleeves long skirts, and long hair.

Yeah, I don't feel God moving me in that direction in our relationship.http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ons/icon11.gif