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Old 03-22-2008, 12:20 PM
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Obama's Speech Leaves a Few Question Marks
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, March 21, 2008

His (Obama) defense rests on two central propositions: (a) moral equivalence, and (b) white guilt.

(a) Moral equivalence. Sure, says Obama, there's Wright, but at the other "end of the spectrum" there's Geraldine Ferraro, opponents of affirmative action and his own white grandmother, "who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe." But did she shout them in a crowded theater to incite, enrage and poison others?

"I can no more disown (Wright) than I can my white grandmother." What exactly was grandma's offense? Jesse Jackson himself once admitted to the fear he feels from the footsteps of black men on the street. And Harry Truman was known to use epithets for blacks and Jews in private, yet is revered for desegregating the armed forces and recognizing the first Jewish state since Jesus' time. He never spread racial hatred. Nor did grandma.

Yet Obama compares her to Wright. Does he not see the moral difference between the occasional private expression of the prejudices of one's time and the use of a public stage to spread racial lies and race hatred?

(b) White guilt. Obama's purpose in the speech was to put Wright's outrages in context. By context, Obama means history. And by history, he means the history of white racism. Obama says, "We do not need to recite here the history of racial injustice in this country," and then proceeds to do precisely that. And what lies at the end of his recital of the long train of white racial assaults from slavery to employment discrimination? Jeremiah Wright, of course.

This contextual analysis of Wright's venom, this extenuation of black hate speech as a product of white racism, is not new. It's the Jesse Jackson politics of racial grievance, expressed in Ivy League diction and Harvard Law nuance. That's why the speech made so many liberal commentators swoon: It bathed them in racial guilt, while flattering their intellectual pretensions. An unbeatable combination.

But Obama was supposed to be new. He flatters himself as a man of the future transcending the anger of the past as represented by his beloved pastor. Obama then waxes rhapsodic about the hope brought by the new consciousness of the young people in his campaign.

Then answer this, senator: If Wright is a man of the past, why would you expose your children to his vitriolic divisiveness? This is a man who curses America and who proclaimed moral satisfaction in the deaths of 3,000 innocents at a time when their bodies were still being sought at Ground Zero. It is not just the older congregants who stand and cheer and roar in wild approval of Wright's rants, but young people as well. Why did you give $22,500 just two years ago to a church run by a man of the past who infects the younger generation with precisely the racial attitudes and animus you say you have come unto us to transcend?

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He's a sell out for pointing out the problems with his race?

Have you read anything about major sports figures that feel pressured to stay with "their people" who don't want them to rise up past the ghetto mentality?

Goodness, someone needs to address it. If a white person does, it's racism. If Bill does he's a racist. Maybe no one wants change and no one wants to listen. That's what it is appearing to me.

Who isn't a racist that is able to address the problems? By what you are writing you don't want anyone to change. You want to keep playing the blame game.
I agree it needs to be addressed...but from BOTH sides. Honestly. Even if what is said angers the other.

If Wright wants to say that Natalee Holloway shouldnt get any extra press for how she died when we got sisters dying out here all the time in worst fashions and their deaths get little or no media time....THAT is the injustice! That is saying a white girl dying is more important or significant than a black girls.

BC is a sellout because he aired dirty laundry in front of company, so to speak. He feels no need to empathize with the Black community because of Ennis. I understand his anger. He should be angry. His son died a senseless death...but you know what???

I know women who have buried more than one child that died senseless deaths. Read my blog:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ogID=365346675

But this didn't have any national media play, or very little of it. Why?

Cuz these girls were asking for it because of what it appeared they were doing?

I will never forget those pictures as long as I live. THIS is the reality for many black folks.

We can give all the self help speeches we want. Write all the books about how blacks need to move on. Rant and rave about it.

But there is still gross racial inequality in this country. And that oppresses MANY blacks in this country.

Nothing brought this reality home for me and made it more real for me than Katrina....

So, while it is easy for you and those who support your views to tell us to get up and do this and whatever....those of us having to live this know what's really going on....

The only thing that has kept me and my kids from being in those pictures is the GRACE OF GOD!!!!

Am I smart, educated? Yes. But when it came time for promotion, pay raise, it still boiled down to whether the black girl who sounds white got it or if the white girl who is in recovery mode after Katrina get it???

Yes, I still have to deal with this ************ in 2008. And it wears and tears on my faith. It does. I have faith, I believe God and try to live right, yet I still struggle.

My dad fought for this country in Vietnam and still suffers in his mind and body for it. But after Katrina, he has NOTHING to show for it. Why?

Because folks in N.O., BLACK folks in particular, mean nothing. Are expendable. We are animals. I mean it was proven when the press came in with their cameras and filmed the animals raping and killing themselves in the Dome after Katrina.

While they were going hungry and babies dying in mamas arms. People had to sleep next to dead bodies....

Now, the jobs that pays well enough to support the rising cost of living here in N.O. post Katrina go to white folks.

Racial anger?

Blacks DO have a right to be angry still. Because, unlike Jews, the oppression still exists. The racism still rages. Subtle but screaming.

We hear about how God will bless those who bless Israel. So we go out of our way to bless them. Think highly of them. Help them even...I saw a show that is dedicated to raising funds to help Jews who aren't in Israel migrate back home and getting them Bibles.

But let someone get on that same channel and say, 'Hey, can you send $100 to help LaQuita. She is a single mother of four whose baby daddy is incarcerated. They live in squalor in the Dorchester section of Boston and her babies go to bed hungry. And we want to send LaQuita to school...' know what the response would be?

'Well, that LaQuita needs to go to Social Svcs. and get some food stamps and some housing help. I pay my taxes, darn it! I am not sending a dime to this girl who couldn't keep her legs closed! I work too hard for my money!'

Why?

Because racism - and classism - is still alive and well.

The majority of folks look at the former need as a more legit one than the later. I don't know why...they are both poor, trying to make it, trying to find their way.

This country will send help all over this world when they see a need that they deem legit. But we have needs right here in the good ol US of A.

People in N.O. still need a decent place to stay, over two years after Katrina. Social programs are being cut here at a time when they should be on the rise. I know folks who sell drugs and their bodies to pay the $1100 month rent for that place that was $650 before Katrina....

But we don't barely see that on CNN. Only when we act a fool at HANO for tearing down the projects, THAT was on CNN. Where was CNN when 1/3 of this city is still pretty much a ghost town? Why isnt CNN filming the hundreds of people who are sleeping under I-10 every night because they have nowhere to go?

I hate passing by that section of N.O. because it makes my blood boil. We get CNN down here when folks are acting up, but where is CNN to catch the story behind the story, why the folks are acting up? And you all eat it up. You feed into all the hype they feed you. How sorry and angry blacks are....

Do you see how racist that is????????

Poor schools in the inner city. Crime because there are no great schools for our children to learn that there IS a better way. Job discrimination. Prisons. The Media's exploitation of Black crime, drug abuse, illegitimate pregnancy, etc everything that is WRONG with Blacks. How this gov't rushes to the aid of everybody who suffers at the hands of a natural disaster, except black folks.

When Obama came down here to speak, HE spoke to US. He addressed the issue. I believed he may have even drove by that section of I-10 on the corner of Tulane and Canal where hundreds of black folks who are homeless LIVE in tents and have sofas and furniture set up like they are in their house.

I know Hillary didn't....even though she came here a week after Obama...
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My first pastor was dead set against mixed marriages and would use the "N" word in private conversations on occasion. The second pastor who took over the church after the elder died would use terms like "f@66ot" or "F@g" on occasion. I was primarily offended at this because I don't want my son using any derogatory terms while growing up. Hard to tell him, "Don't use those words!", if the pastor uses them on occasion. There were plenty of other things too. Like one night we had a visitor who was a single mom with three kids who was receiving some assistance... and the pastor ranted against "welfare bums". I could go on and on. Eventually we left over other issues that developed. However, that was my church for 12 years. I didn't agree with a lot of things there but I thought God brought me to that church and placed those men of God in my life for a reason...even though I disagreed with them.

I still disagree with them...but I also still love them dearly. They are men who contributed a lot to who I am today. I didn't accept everything they taught, but I'm not going to curse or denounce them entirely.
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I agree it needs to be addressed...but from BOTH sides. Honestly. Even if what is said angers the other.

If Wright wants to say that Natalee Holloway shouldnt get any extra press for how she died when we got sisters dying out here all the time in worst fashions and their deaths get little or no media time....THAT is the injustice! That is saying a white girl dying is more important or significant than a black girls.

BC is a sellout because he aired dirty laundry in front of company, so to speak. He feels no need to empathize with the Black community because of Ennis. I understand his anger. He should be angry. His son died a senseless death...but you know what???

I know women who have buried more than one child that died senseless deaths. Read my blog:

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ogID=365346675

But this didn't have any national media play, or very little of it. Why?

Cuz these girls were asking for it because of what it appeared they were doing?

I will never forget those pictures as long as I live. THIS is the reality for many black folks.

We can give all the self help speeches we want. Write all the books about how blacks need to move on. Rant and rave about it.

But there is still gross racial inequality in this country. And that oppresses MANY blacks in this country.

Nothing brought this reality home for me and made it more real for me than Katrina....

So, while it is easy for you and those who support your views to tell us to get up and do this and whatever....those of us having to live this know what's really going on....

The only thing that has kept me and my kids from being in those pictures is the GRACE OF GOD!!!!

Am I smart, educated? Yes. But when it came time for promotion, pay raise, it still boiled down to whether the black girl who sounds white got it or if the white girl who is in recovery mode after Katrina get it???

Yes, I still have to deal with this ************ in 2008. And it wears and tears on my faith. It does. I have faith, I believe God and try to live right, yet I still struggle.

My dad fought for this country in Vietnam and still suffers in his mind and body for it. But after Katrina, he has NOTHING to show for it. Why?

Because folks in N.O., BLACK folks in particular, mean nothing. Are expendable. We are animals. I mean it was proven when the press came in with their cameras and filmed the animals raping and killing themselves in the Dome after Katrina.

While they were going hungry and babies dying in mamas arms. People had to sleep next to dead bodies....

Now, the jobs that pays well enough to support the rising cost of living here in N.O. post Katrina go to white folks.

Racial anger?

Blacks DO have a right to be angry still. Because, unlike Jews, the oppression still exists. The racism still rages. Subtle but screaming.

We hear about how God will bless those who bless Israel. So we go out of our way to bless them. Think highly of them. Help them even...I saw a show that is dedicated to raising funds to help Jews who aren't in Israel migrate back home and getting them Bibles.

But let someone get on that same channel and say, 'Hey, can you send $100 to help LaQuita. She is a single mother of four whose baby daddy is incarcerated. They live in squalor in the Dorchester section of Boston and her babies go to bed hungry. And we want to send LaQuita to school...' know what the response would be?

'Well, that LaQuita needs to go to Social Svcs. and get some food stamps and some housing help. I pay my taxes, darn it! I am not sending a dime to this girl who couldn't keep her legs closed! I work too hard for my money!'

Why?

Because racism - and classism - is still alive and well.

The majority of folks look at the former need as a more legit one than the later. I don't know why...they are both poor, trying to make it, trying to find their way.

This country will send help all over this world when they see a need that they deem legit. But we have needs right here in the good ol US of A.

People in N.O. still need a decent place to stay, over two years after Katrina. Social programs are being cut here at a time when they should be on the rise. I know folks who sell drugs and their bodies to pay the $1100 month rent for that place that was $650 before Katrina....

But we don't barely see that on CNN. Only when we act a fool at HANO for tearing down the projects, THAT was on CNN. Where was CNN when 1/3 of this city is still pretty much a ghost town? Why isnt CNN filming the hundreds of people who are sleeping under I-10 every night because they have nowhere to go?

I hate passing by that section of N.O. because it makes my blood boil. We get CNN down here when folks are acting up, but where is CNN to catch the story behind the story, why the folks are acting up? And you all eat it up. You feed into all the hype they feed you. How sorry and angry blacks are....

Do you see how racist that is????????

Poor schools in the inner city. Crime because there are no great schools for our children to learn that there IS a better way. Job discrimination. Prisons. The Media's exploitation of Black crime, drug abuse, illegitimate pregnancy, etc everything that is WRONG with Blacks. How this gov't rushes to the aid of everybody who suffers at the hands of a natural disaster, except black folks.

When Obama came down here to speak, HE spoke to US. He addressed the issue. I believed he may have even drove by that section of I-10 on the corner of Tulane and Canal where hundreds of black folks who are homeless LIVE in tents and have sofas and furniture set up like they are in their house.

I know Hillary didn't....even though she came here a week after Obama...
*sigh* I think we could continue all day and get nowhere. lol

I'd like you to notice my avatar. I have two paintings in my "white" son's (lol) bedroom from this artist. The man is a black artist from New Orleans. I'm not prejudiced. I know good art when I see it. Abstract art is awesome.

Here's his website - http://tellisfineart.com/catalog/about.php

This is the other painting I have in his room:




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PO....No hard feelings toward you. Just towards racial injustice and those who are afraid to confront and deal with it the way it really is...
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...again I cry...


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HeavenlyOne, how did Rev. Jeremiah's sermon end?
Chris, as I said, his words aren't a one-time incident. I really don't care how he ends his sermons.
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Enough said. Society is not the blame. There are role models that have gone on before them, they obviously don't want to follow, JMHO. I see it all the time, every day. It's getting ridiculous, especially in a tech society. PULEEZE!
Thanks for quoting him. He's a man of integrity that sees it just like it is.
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