Could the results of this "steady diet" of Liberation Theology be?:
Michelle Obama's remark: “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country"?
B. Obama: Avoiding to wear the an American Flag pin?
B. Obama: Refraining to say the Pledge of Allegiance?
Yes
Yes
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Yes.
and how do we all feel about Liberation Theology being in the Whitehouse?
remember, Liberation Theology includes the idea that America gets what it deserves. So when the bad guys hit us, our response ought to be soul searching and not retaliation.
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and how do we all feel about Liberation Theology being in the Whitehouse?
remember, Liberation Theology includes the idea that America gets what it deserves. So when the bad guys hit us, our response ought to be soul searching and not retaliation.
oh yeah that will scare all the bombers and radicals just waiting for a chance to kill us, good grief, lol,dt
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NO Rico, LISTEN to what he said. The bombings were listed as events of wanton terrorism as proof that the 9/11 attack was the judement of God for Americans own Terror attacks on others.
"Americas chickens come home to roost"
it wasnt a list of things America has done that killed many more people. it was a list of things in JWs view that America did unjustly to wantonly kill innocent people.
there is a vast different Rico.
Ferd, we did not have to use those bombs on Japan. Chosen by One made a good point that we could have picked a much less populated area to bomb to let the Japanese know we meant business. Granted, it's easy to second guess decisions that were made 60 years ago, but I can see how someone could include the bombing of Japan in an effort to illustrate how aggressive the USA has been in military matters. That's the point JW was trying to make. As a country, we could not believe someone had the audacity to bring two of our buildings down, but we don't think twice about the things we've done to other countries, things that cost many many more lives than what we lost on 9/11, all in the name of freedom and democracy.
Then we really dont have a basis to communicate on this subject. If you thing the above comments are an accurate representation of the historic reality at the end of the second world war, then there is no basis for us to discuss this matter.
you are living in a fantasy world that doesnt match the historical record.
Ferd,
As you were probably aware, there remained more than one version of history on any given topic. People have found it easier to believe the official version of many of the significant events of our nation's history, but truth could be found by listening to other sources too.
I wrote earlier in this thread that it was my opinion that Jesus wouldn't have approved killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people regardless of the reason. That was what I believed. Also, I had wrote that our country should have threatened the use of a nuclear bomb before it was actually used on major cities at the end of WWII. Seeking the path of a less violent and destructive end would have demonstrated a more compassionate, humane and peaceful end to that war. With that said, I wanted it to be known that if it were true that the use of the bomb(s) saved the lives of countless US military personnel, then I would have nothing to say on the matter. I served in the military proudly and I believed that the life of every serviceman and woman should be preserved.
I know that I posted a lot of articles on this thread, but I felt that reading other viewpoints other than what we were spoon fed by Washington only created the possibility of exposing the whole truth. Here was a commentary that I read recently regarding the use of nuclear bombs in WWII:
At the time, things looked bad for the Americans in the Japanese theatre. However, the Japanese internal situation was deteriorating rapidly. Although the army was willing to sacrifice the entire population of Japan, the civilian leadership thought the army incredibly short sighted and supported suing for peace.
However, the Japanese civilian leadership were too vague for their own good. In response to American surrender demands, the Japanese leadership responded with a term that had no exact translation and was unique to Japanese culture. It was probably meant in its common sense - when a Japanese person finds an offer unacceptable, he simply won't respond to it - a "silent rejection". Any Japanese person understands this cultural impasse and simply makes a better offer. However, the same term can also mean "silent contempt", meaning that the offer was being ignored as beneath their dignity. Truman accepted the latter explanation and felt the Japanese were unwilling to surrender.
Surprisingly, the dropping of the bombs had very little effect on the position of the Japanese military! Their intelligence was very good and they realized that the Americans only had the two bombs that they had already dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. However, the civilian government's pleas grew stronger and the Emperor, who had up until that point accepted the advice of the military, turned against them and gave them a direct order to surrender.
While a few more months would probably not have cost a lot of American or Japanese lives (the Japanese had no food, ammunition or supplies to speak of, and no navy at all to resist an American invasion), Truman was under time pressure to keep the Russians out. Stalin had already promised to commit forces to the battle. However, if they had done so, the Japanese, like many Chinese before them, probably would have realized that surrendering to the Americans would get them a better deal, as it probably did.
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Ferd, we did not have to use those bombs on Japan. Chosen by One made a good point that we could have picked a much less populated area to bomb to let the Japanese know we meant business.
If we use the same reasoning the Japanese could have picked a different harbor that Pearl Harbor for their attack to get their point across.
As you were probably aware, there remained more than one version of history on any given topic. People have found it easier to believe the official version of many of the significant events of our nation's history, but truth could be found by listening to other sources too.
I wrote earlier in this thread that it was my opinion that Jesus wouldn't have approved killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people regardless of the reason. That was what I believed. Also, I had wrote that our country should have threatened the use of a nuclear bomb before it was actually used on major cities at the end of WWII. Seeking the path of a less violent and destructive end would have demonstrated a more compassionate, humane and peaceful end to that war. With that said, I wanted it to be known that if it were true that the use of the bomb(s) saved the lives of countless US military personnel, then I would have nothing to say on the matter. I served in the military proudly and I believed that the life of every serviceman and woman should be preserved.
I know that I posted a lot of articles on this thread, but I felt that reading other viewpoints other than what we were spoon fed by Washington only created the possibility of exposing the whole truth. Here was a commentary that I read recently regarding the use of nuclear bombs in WWII:
At the time, things looked bad for the Americans in the Japanese theatre. However, the Japanese internal situation was deteriorating rapidly. Although the army was willing to sacrifice the entire population of Japan, the civilian leadership thought the army incredibly short sighted and supported suing for peace.
However, the Japanese civilian leadership were too vague for their own good. In response to American surrender demands, the Japanese leadership responded with a term that had no exact translation and was unique to Japanese culture. It was probably meant in its common sense - when a Japanese person finds an offer unacceptable, he simply won't respond to it - a "silent rejection". Any Japanese person understands this cultural impasse and simply makes a better offer. However, the same term can also mean "silent contempt", meaning that the offer was being ignored as beneath their dignity. Truman accepted the latter explanation and felt the Japanese were unwilling to surrender.
Surprisingly, the dropping of the bombs had very little effect on the position of the Japanese military! Their intelligence was very good and they realized that the Americans only had the two bombs that they had already dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. However, the civilian government's pleas grew stronger and the Emperor, who had up until that point accepted the advice of the military, turned against them and gave them a direct order to surrender.
While a few more months would probably not have cost a lot of American or Japanese lives (the Japanese had no food, ammunition or supplies to speak of, and no navy at all to resist an American invasion), Truman was under time pressure to keep the Russians out. Stalin had already promised to commit forces to the battle. However, if they had done so, the Japanese, like many Chinese before them, probably would have realized that surrendering to the Americans would get them a better deal, as it probably did.
tell that garbage to the boys that were defending the ships on okinawa and iwo jima against the kamikazes, they saw there friends die and burn, i know some of those men that are still around, it is amazing that i studied amercian history in college and have never heard this before, but then again i dont read revisionist history, sorry still isnt good enough, jw was wrong and he is still wrong, dt
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