Lets Get Ready to RuMbLE!! HANEY Vs. URSHAN!!!

[Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

Urshan to me had presence. He spoke at my Father's funeral in 1978.

He also was connected to the beginnings by his Father Andrew Urshan.

Haney just had a big church at the time of his election...

Just my thoughts no strife intended.

Sorry bud, have to chime in here. Haney just....hmmmm. JUST took a small established church and made it a juggernaut in the community, state, district, and world. His reach JUST has been world-wide,from small churches built overseas, to Bible schools being helped, to JUST millions of dollars given to missions.
His business savvy JUST has made his financial legacy last.
His restoration ministry has JUST helped many who struggle get back on their feet and go back to their callings.
His mentoring ministry has JUST launched hundreds of Apostolic ministries around the globe.
Just....puh-leeeze, you and I would be lucky if we could JUST tie his shoes,
And that goes out to the rest of you arm-chair quarterbacks too...JUST, whatever!

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

Sorry bud, have to chime in here. Haney just....hmmmm. JUST took a small established church and made it a juggernaut in the community, state, district, and world. His reach JUST has been world-wide,from small churches built overseas, to Bible schools being helped, to JUST millions of dollars given to missions.
His business savvy JUST has made his financial legacy last.
His restoration ministry has JUST helped many who struggle get back on their feet and go back to their callings.
His mentoring ministry has JUST launched hundreds of Apostolic ministries around the globe.
Just....puh-leeeze, you and I would be lucky if we could JUST tie his shoes,
And that goes out to the rest of you arm-chair quarterbacks too...JUST, whatever!

Correction to my point. My intentions were not about a lack of leadership or ability on the part of Bro. Haney.

My mention of him just having a large church.

Was to define the men who voted for him because he had a big church.

There are many great men who would never even get a token look.

I have seen men build large churches before and then go to another situation and bomb.

It takes the right folks around you to build anything....

My intentions also were to give the Late Nathaniel Urshan his just due.

his legacy and life have passed.

The book is still open on Bro. Haney.

I meant no disrespect.

This is a very hard thread to post on.

[LaVonne]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

Sorry bud, have to chime in here. Haney just....hmmmm. JUST took a small established church and made it a juggernaut in the community, state, district, and world. His reach JUST has been world-wide,from small churches built overseas, to Bible schools being helped, to JUST millions of dollars given to missions.
His business savvy JUST has made his financial legacy last.
His restoration ministry has JUST helped many who struggle get back on their feet and go back to their callings.
His mentoring ministry has JUST launched hundreds of Apostolic ministries around the globe.
Just....puh-leeeze, you and I would be lucky if we could JUST tie his shoes,
And that goes out to the rest of you arm-chair quarterbacks too...JUST, whatever!

Excellent post!

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman
Sorry bud, have to chime in here. Haney just....hmmmm. JUST took a small established church and made it a juggernaut in the community, state, district, and world. His reach JUST has been world-wide,from small churches built overseas, to Bible schools being helped, to JUST millions of dollars given to missions.
His business savvy JUST has made his financial legacy last.
His restoration ministry has JUST helped many who struggle get back on their feet and go back to their callings.
His mentoring ministry has JUST launched hundreds of Apostolic ministries around the globe.
Just....puh-leeeze, you and I would be lucky if we could JUST tie his shoes,
And that goes out to the rest of you arm-chair quarterbacks too...JUST, whatever!

Originally Posted by CareyM

Excellent post!

The comment isn't about us tying Bro. Haney's shoes.

It was about Bro. Urshan and Bro. Haney.

I understand what Bro. Haney accomplished at his church.

Has that translated in the same growth and vision for the entire UPCI?

You answer the question in your own mind?

The best salesman usually becomes the sales manager.

In my career I have see that happen 7 times.

Each time the sales manager would then be out the door within the year.

I turned down the position twice.

Being the best at what you do...."Like pastoring a church".

Does not translate into success as a leader on a larger scale.

I have no disrespect.

The book is still open....